Sansamp on a board question.

[dlew919]

So I have a regular gig at an open mic night weekly. To lighten the load, instead of an amp, I used my sansamp last week with a board in front of it. Worked really well.

reading the sansamp manual, it suggests you can have some effects before and some after. Filtering, fuzz and Compressor before, delay, chorus and reverb after.

I’m going to build a board following these. One question for those who’ve done this?


Where might overdrive and distortion go? I’m thinking before. But does it work better after?

thanks in advance!

 

[MLHull]

Before is the normal placement, but try it both ways then decide where it works for you.

 

[telemnemonics]

GT-2 sansamp?

I run dirt into delay or flange but never put delay after the GT-2 putting out a line level signal.
Could work I guess and your ears will tell you if it sounds bad.
I prefer higher voltage BBD fx that handle a bigger signal without the chips making mud out of the input.

 

[dlew919]

Yes gt2. Thanks!

 

[lefty73]

Remember that this is your "amp", so ideally put any fuzz/OD/dist before the "amp", as you would in the real world. That said, because there are almost no rules, experiment with a light drive after the "amp" as a boost, or to add a few more colors to the tone that could make things interesting.

For years I ran a Tech 21 Tri-AC at the center of my rig. Dirt before, delay and reverb after. Output of reverb into a Behringer Ultra-G DI (the red one with "4x12 cab sim") to connect to whatever I needed to - DAW, mixing board, PA/FoH... No issues (for me) running standard stomps into the DI.

 

[RockinforJesus]

Compressor>Stage 1 OD>Stage 2 OD>Preamp>Volume>Boost>Delay>Reverb>DI Box (stereo outs)

 

[63telemaster]

I used a JD10 Sessionmaster (preamp with speaker sim) for years on my pedalboard. Always last pedal in the chain before the desk.

 

[bgmacaw]

The way I ran it on my Peavey Bandit 65 (clean channel) was to place any comp, OD or distortion before the amp. The Sansamp would go in the effects loop followed by a delay or tremolo pedal. The amp would supply the spring reverb.

 

[jonm]

I used a JD10 Sessionmaster (preamp with speaker sim) for years on my pedalboard. Always last pedal in the chain before the desk.

I was researching the JD10 and your posts came up, so if I may ask you my questions. I purchased a Morley JD10 in 1992 when I was playing at Church, I’d run my Martin D35 through the PA with it for the few overdriven songs we did, it worked great! Then I took it to Russia and Germany on Mission trips playing on the streets and in concerts with a 91’ Am Standard Tele, Boss Bluesdriver and Morley wah/volume through a PA and again it did seriously great.
After some time and other music distractions I’m playing guitar again. I have a 94’ Fender Stage 112, my questions is how do you run your JD10? What is the desk?
My 10 works great by itself but when I try to run it with other pedals it either cuts out the signal or there a bunch of noise. So you run it last before the chain goes to the amp?
The pedal as a stand alone (and the amps gain a channel and reverb) really gives me a bunch of variations.
Thank you, Jon

 

[63telemaster]

I bought my JD10 about the same time as you jonm and having used it extensively in various ways I rate it as the best bit of kit I've ever owned.

In answer to your specific question, yes last in the chain before going to a desk such as the Allen & Heath ZED10FX. I used this setup for solo gigs with backing tracks. I had various chains but typically comp/drive/fuzz/modulation> JD10> ZEDFX with desk delay/reverb. The ZEDFX has mic/line inputs and Hi Z inputs and I ran into the mic/line.

I've also used the JD10 as a preamp/drive pedal in front of numerous guitar amps and for direct recording guitar and bass in the studio which is where it really shines imo.

One weakness with the JD10 is that it does not have a balanced output, so long cable runs to a desk can introduce noise/capacitance. The output signal isn't very hot either so you'll need to crank some gain on the input channel. A DI box should sort both of those problems out. I believe later models had a balanced xlr output but I haven't used one.

You say you used it with your D35, I have a D28 with a Dimarzio Black Angel soundhole pickup and the JD10 makes a fantastic acoustic preamp with the speaker emulation switched off. With the speaker on it can also do great lo-fi acoustic/electric tones as you've found out.

The designer/manufacturer of the JD10, Stewart Ward used to be active around here and I believe still replies to queries through his Award-Session website so you may wish to contact him.

 

[codamedia]

Anything you put in the FX Loop of an AMP would come after the SansAmp when using that....

That said.... I don't know many people that go through the effort of running STOMP effects in their effects loops (rack effects yes, but not stomps)... so I think it's perfectly fine to just run the Sans Amp at the end of the pedal board... it will be no different than if you have the board going straight into your amp.

 

[cyclopean]

So I have a regular gig at an open mic night weekly. To lighten the load, instead of an amp, I used my sansamp last week with a board in front of it. Worked really well.

reading the sansamp manual, it suggests you can have some effects before and some after. Filtering, fuzz and Compressor before, delay, chorus and reverb after.

I’m going to build a board following these. One question for those who’ve done this?


Where might overdrive and distortion go? I’m thinking before. But does it work better after?

thanks in advance!

Isn’t putting something after effectively just putting it in the effects loop?

 

[dlew919]

Isn’t putting something after effectively just putting it in the effects loop?

Thats what I thought, but I never use effects loops, the few amps I’ve had with them I couldn’t any any volume from. So I wondered if it was different.