Rift sawn neck?

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  1. brandonwhite

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    I just received a new neck.
    I payed the extra fee for quartersawn, but the grain is almost at a 45 degree angle from the fretboard.
    Isn't this rift sawn?
    I have a cheap, plain-sawn neck on which the grain is almost the same angle as this.
    Did I get jipped?
    I'm sure the neck will be fine stability wise, but I like quartersawn necks for their quartersawn figuring (which this one doesn't have).
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  2. lammie200

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    I think that quarter sawn varies from about 45 degrees to 90 degrees. Rift sawn would be more like 90 degrees. There is a lot more waste cutting rift sawn. I am not sure of any neck maker that offers rift sawn.

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    Yeah I would not be enthused about that much angle if I paid for quarter sawn. Lumber may have that much variation as shown above, but a product like guitar necks should be more like 90 degrees or close to that.
    If your only about aesthetics, the effect on the back of the neck should appear like quarter sawn right? You don't show it....
    Who made that neck?
     
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    I’ve seen this graphic on the internet before and I’ve heard it’s incorrect.
    For example, if you buy quartersawn oak that has great quartersawn tiger-stripe figuring, the end grain is always perpendicular (or very close to perpendicular) to the top surface.
    If you buy rift sawn oak, you will have a straight grain on the main surface with no quartersawn tiger stripes, and the end grain is always diagonal.
     
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    I'm still trying to picture the saw setup that could cut something like that rift sawn log shown above.
     
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    Yeah, not seeing it! I guess you cut into quarters on the white lines first...
     
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    From “Encyclopedia of Wood”....

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    https://bourgeoisguitars.net/our-news/guitar-guru-grain-orientation/
     
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    Yeah, and I bet that you are right that it probably isn't even totally clear to the industry what rift sawn is versus quartersawn, or even what a rift sawn pattern would be in a quartersawn piece of lumber and vice a versa. That said, Musikraft is usually a top notch outfit from what I know, so I am sure that they didn't purposely try to deceive you. Hindsight now but if you would have told them that you wanted a grade AAA piece of quartersawn you probably would have gotten something that you like better. Live and learn I guess. I can't tell you how many necks I sold after playing them for only a short while because of something like the profile or frets that I didn't get right by my own admission.
     
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    Not quatersawn. But I think 40 layers of grain makes up for it ! I wouldn't t send it back. I bet it sounds fantastic.
     
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    That looks like it pretty much conforms to quartersawn specs - grain at 60 to 90 degrees.

    It's right on the border line of being riftsawn - grain at 30 to 60 degrees

    Either way it looks like it should be a good stable piece of wood for a neck :).

    As long as the rest of the neck conforms to your desires, I think I'd be real happy with it.

    No jippery going on here that I can see :).
     
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    As many of you say, I’m sure it’ll be a great neck.
    I was just hoping for that cool figuring that happens when the grain is perpendicular to the surface.
    Will ask for grade AAA quartersawn next time around.
    Thanks for the input, guys.
     
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    Same question here: rift- or quartesawn?

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