Restringing a nylong string guitar

buster poser

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I like restringing any kind of guitar, nylons included. Tuned to Eb, our little Suzuki classical stays in tune better than anything in the house. Last restrung it over a year ago.
 

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Yes, they are folk style strings. In fact, Martin calls this a nylon folk guitar, vs a classical guitar. Yes, its all solid. I haven't played out with it yet. I use my 1973 Gibson J45 deluxe more often.
OK, great. No need to worry then. Hope the guitar is enjoyed for decades to come!
 

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This weekend I changed the strings on my old nylon-string 3/4 scale Goldklang acoustic (inherited from my Mum).
Man what a hassle it is! Anyone who complains about changing strings on a Tele or a Strat should restring a nylon string guitar once in a while.
To start with, nylon strings don't have ballends so you need to tie a little knot. Thus is a folk rather than a classical guitar so it has bridge pins rather than having to do that figure-8 knot on to the bridge itself, but you still need a knot to engage in the slot and be held by the bridge pin. But you can't pull it tight enough by hand, you need to let the knot tighten as you tune up to pitch.
Then there are the tiny little tuning keys you can hardly get a grip on - guaranteed finger pain as you crank the strings into a semblance of concert pitch.
And then the stretching! People talk about stretching strings but for steel strings that's really minimal - it's the settling into place at the tuning peg that makes tuning drift flat when steel strings are new. But nylon strings are just one step up from elastic bands and they streeeeetch! So you think it feels about right, play the note and it's waaaay flat, and crank for another couple of minutes to pull it up an octave...

Anyway next time anyone is complaining about a string change I'm going to post a link to this rant! Now I'm going to tune up (the too strings will have gone flat, again...) and play...
Stretch they do!!!
 

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Quitcher whining! Lord, I get string change whining on one side from the people who have no idea how to set up a Floyd quickly and from the other side from people who can't string a nylon string guitar. Yeesh! And then there's me, who had to string up a Bigsby for the first time in a hundred years when I bought a G2420 used from GC and was suddenly confronted with the trem from hell. I was reminded me of one of the several reasons I really do NOT like Bigsbys.

This reminds me, though, that I hauled out my Line 6 Variax Acoustic 700 a couple of days ago. This is a modeling guitar that models (*ahem*) several kinds of string instruments, including a nylon string guitar. But you string it up just like any other guitar. Nice. Nylon string sounds from a steel string guitar. These aren't made any more, but just for fun you might want to take a look.
Bigsbys?? Easy! All you need is 3 or 4 hands to hold everything in place...😀

I used to be on the lookout for a Variax Acoustic, because I played one once and I think they're a great idea: but I had a Variax 600 for a few years and decided I don't trust a guitar with batteries. Now however for gigging I have a similar solution but more flexible in some respects - a Boss GP-10 and GK-3 hex pickups on two of my guitars: so I have acoustic, nylon and 12-string options without changing guitar (& a ton more besides). But if I'm playing a classical piece for my own pleasure at home I'm going to use my nylon string guitar. 😉
 

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Bigsbys?? Easy! All you need is 3 or 4 hands to hold everything in place...😀

I used to be on the lookout for a Variax Acoustic, because I played one once and I think they're a great idea: but I had a Variax 600 for a few years and decided I don't trust a guitar with batteries.
I don't recall putting a battery into a Variax for a good long while unless I was using a wireless.
They come with a way to use the guitar without a battery (powered from a small floor box connected to a brick), but if you have one of the Line 6 gizmos (Pod, HD500X, Helix) and a VDI cable (sort of a "hardened" Ethernet cable), you'll find that the pedalboard will power the guitar *and* allow including alternate tunings and guitar model switching into the user presets so that you can switch everything (including amps/cabs/FX and maybe even the lighting via MIDI) with a single stomp.
 

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Saw a re-string on Youtube re this. Looks simple but it aint. Also said that nylon strings will take some days to stretch and get in tune.
 

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I don't recall putting a battery into a Variax for a good long while unless I was using a wireless.
They come with a way to use the guitar without a battery (powered from a small floor box connected to a brick), but if you have one of the Line 6 gizmos (Pod, HD500X, Helix) and a VDI cable (sort of a "hardened" Ethernet cable), you'll find that the pedalboard will power the guitar *and* allow including alternate tunings and guitar model switching into the user presets so that you can switch everything (including amps/cabs/FX and maybe even the lighting via MIDI) with a single stomp.
Well this quite true x but for quick pickup-&-play intended to use batteries rather than the floor box & brick. There are other reasons I turned away from the Variax, only some of which applied to the Acoustic versions🙂.
 

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This weekend I changed the strings on my old nylon-string 3/4 scale Goldklang acoustic (inherited from my Mum).
Man what a hassle it is! Anyone who complains about changing strings on a Tele or a Strat should restring a nylon string guitar once in a while.
To start with, nylon strings don't have ballends so you need to tie a little knot. Thus is a folk rather than a classical guitar so it has bridge pins rather than having to do that figure-8 knot on to the bridge itself, but you still need a knot to engage in the slot and be held by the bridge pin. But you can't pull it tight enough by hand, you need to let the knot tighten as you tune up to pitch.
Then there are the tiny little tuning keys you can hardly get a grip on - guaranteed finger pain as you crank the strings into a semblance of concert pitch.
And then the stretching! People talk about stretching strings but for steel strings that's really minimal - it's the settling into place at the tuning peg that makes tuning drift flat when steel strings are new. But nylon strings are just one step up from elastic bands and they streeeeetch! So you think it feels about right, play the note and it's waaaay flat, and crank for another couple of minutes to pull it up an octave...

Anyway next time anyone is complaining about a string change I'm going to post a link to this rant! Now I'm going to tune up (the too strings will have gone flat, again...) and play...

Pretty sure you're wrong about steel strings. If that, was the case, why does it happen with locking tuners that have zero winds around the tuner post/peg? There ain't anything settling into place there, yet they still have to be "stretched". Why is that? Theres nothing to settle in place. So?
 

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This is my wifes very old Landola, put it away about a year ago and forgot about it...anyways this is how I string classical guitar, it was down a half note when I tuned it up again, I use Ernie Ball classical medium tension, I do prefer high tensions myself...:lol:😇
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Pretty sure you're wrong about steel strings. If that, was the case, why does it happen with locking tuners that have zero winds around the tuner post/peg? There ain't anything settling into place there, yet they still have to be "stretched". Why is that? Theres nothing to settle in place. So?
Zero winds? I think there's always a full turn when I do it. But I don't know, maybe it's settling to the right place on the post... maybe it's settling into the through hole at the bridge end... maybe it's stretching about 1% as much as a nylon string does..! (I did say steel string stretching is minimal, not non-existent...)
 

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I have a 12 hole bridge on my Alhambra and it makes restringing a bit easier. There are now 18 hole bridges, too.

You can have a luthier add a second hole, or if you're the adventurous type you could DIY.

Here's a screen grab from Ortega guitars:

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