Reranch is closed for a week or two... where to get Daphne Blue?

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Yeah... but how to mix Daphne Blue? I'd feel better getting a color-matched product or a tried-and-true recipe to mix it.



I had a bad experience with Dupli clear enamel on a stompbox. It never hardened. I had to take it off and redo it with something different. I heard the same about their lacquer. I didn't plan to ever use Dupli again.... but you got me curious now since there's an Autozone down the street. I wonder if they stock those classic colors or if I have to have it mixed.

Here's a little secret: Fender didn't always use the exact color. If the paint supplier was out of the exact color they needed, they'd often just buy the next closest color so they could get guitars shipped out. Using a different color is part of the reason there's so much variation in those classic Fender colors (along with UV exposure and whether or not a clear coat was used, of course.) If you decide to mix it up yourself and it looks "close enough", it is ;).

As far as Dupli-Color goes, the PerfectMatch acrylic lacquer is great stuff and lots of us have used it successfully. It plays nicely under most nitro clears, and the Dupli-Color color/Minwax nitro clear is a popular combo.

However, PerfectMatch comes with one big caveat: unless you're looking for various shades of black or white, you're pretty much stuck with more modern metallics. They just don't do the classic pastel colors in the PerfectMatch line, period. It sucks for those of us that love those colors, but tis what it is. You can find comparable colors if you want to do Candy Apple Red, Ocean Turquoise Metallic or Lake Placid blue, but you're not going to find Shell Pink, Sonic Blue or any of the other 50's pastels. For that, you're pretty much limited to a custom mix (either yourself or a paint supplier), or ReRanch, Gracey's or Ohio Valley rattlecan nitro.

Note that when most of us talk about Dupli-Color, we're talking about the acrylic lacquer PerfectMatch line, not enamels. Enamels are tricky to work with and just don't lend themselves to guitars very well: they have a very specific recoat window, and they take a long time to dry. Plus, if you screw up one coat, you're more likely to have to strip it all and start from scratch because of the way enamel paint cures; lacquer is much more forgiving and easier to apply. Also, don't mix enamel and lacquer! It can be done under certain circumstances, but it's best to just not risk it.

One more thing about the Dupli-Color PerfectMatch: the colors are fantastic, but the clear sucks for some reason. Most people that have tried it have not had good luck, and it seems to either not dry properly, or dries very soft. That's one of the main reasons people will go with a nitro clear of some sort. And yes, it's usually okay to put nitro lacquer over acrylic lacquer: Fender used to do it all the time and had color codes for both nitro and acrylic. It's always a good idea to paint a small scrap of wood with your finish before spraying a whole body, but it's usually compatible. You don't need to do anything complicated for test scraps: just spray a coat of color, let that dry overnight, then spray a coat of clear over that. You'll know pretty quickly if you're going to have compatibility issues.
 

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Maybe you should consider getting a quart of clear, some color pigments, and simulate spray cans by using the Preval spray system.

http://store.preval.com/?gclid=CPSe4ujay8gCFY09gQod5FEEeQ

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You can add white and blue pigment to clear lacquer to get daphne blue.

Here's a Woodcraft store I think near you in Woburn. Don't know if you've ever been to one but they have just about everything for finishing wood in lacquer. They have lacquer, thinners, fillers, primers, pigments, preval spray systems, etc.

http://www.woodcraft.com/stores/304/woodcraft-of-woburn.aspx
 
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Wow... tons of info here and it confirms most of what I've been surmising. Thanks.

you're pretty much stuck with more modern metallics. They just don't do the classic pastel colors in the PerfectMatch line, period. It sucks for those of us that love those colors, but tis what it is. You can find comparable colors if you want to do Candy Apple Red, Ocean Turquoise Metallic or Lake Placid blue, but you're not going to find Shell Pink, Sonic Blue or any of the other 50's pastels. For that, you're pretty much limited to a custom mix (either yourself or a paint supplier), or ReRanch, Gracey's or Ohio Valley rattlecan nitro.

OK... this confirms my own observations. Thank you for clarifying. I did see Sonic Blue but only in metallic. There are other shades of blue too... some look like Lake Placid Blue. None were vintage... like you say. The DC cans are all premixed and ordered by SKU... so it is what it is. I was under the mistaken impression that classic / historic colors were available in this line.

Note that when most of us talk about Dupli-Color, we're talking about the acrylic lacquer PerfectMatch line, not enamels.

...And yes, it's usually okay to put nitro lacquer over acrylic lacquer: Fender used to do it all the time and had color codes for both nitro and acrylic.

Yes.... very clear to me now. I was reading a little Fender history last night about how they regularly used acrylic lacquer for color coats under clear nitro and that it works well chemically (as you also stated). So I'd be good to go, but they don't have my color in the first place. :)
 

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Here's a Woodcraft store I think near you in Woburn. Don't know if you've ever been to one but they have just about everything for finishing wood in lacquer. They have lacquer, thinners, fillers, primers, pigments, preval spray systems, etc.

Thanks man... I was just checking their address last night and planned to stop in next time I'm near there. Good to know they have so much in finishing materials. I'm usually at a HD, Lowes, ACE, or Aubuchon for that kind of stuff. There used to be a Woodcraft in Acton... but I was only in there once. Too bad it's gone now that I need it!
 

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Check this stuff out. I think I will use it next time I want a lacquer finish without the hassles and hazards. I'm sure it could be used in a Preval too.

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grabby - I was under the gun time wise so I just went with it. I was very happy with the results.
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The only thing I would recommend if you got the MW qt route is to get some good lacquer thinner from SW or even Rustoleum. You want R7K120 from SW if you go there the Crown and Kleen Strip stuff is for cleaning not thinning. Rustoleum has several grades as well you just want the thinning formula.
 

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the Crown and Kleen Strip stuff is for cleaning not thinning.

I did not know this. Thank you for letting me know. I was going to get whatever they sell at Lowes or HD. I had no idea there were different grades.

I picked up a quart of MW brushing lacquer which I planned to thin 50:50 for spraying. I also picked up several black-can rattlers.... so I have options.
 

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Check this stuff out. I think I will use it next time I want a lacquer finish without the hassles and hazards. I'm sure it could be used in a Preval too.
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Although I am a big SW Lacquer fan . . .
General Finishes has some great products. The fact that they have several types in both water based and oil based makes matching or even creating custom colors very easy.
 

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grabby - I was under the gun time wise so I just went with it. I was very happy with the results.
FYI...
The only thing I would recommend if you got the MW qt route is to get some good lacquer thinner from SW or even Rustoleum. You want R7K120 from SW if you go there the Crown and Kleen Strip stuff is for cleaning not thinning. Rustoleum has several grades as well you just want the thinning formula.

I've thinned Watco 1:1 with Kleen Strip and never had an issue. Why isn't it for thinning?
 
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