Recommend me a bright 12" speaker?

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  1. beyer160

    beyer160 Friend of Leo's

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    I've got an Ampeg VT22 (V4 head on a 2x12 chassis) that I've had a difficult relationship with for years. The main issue is that it's too dark for my taste. The amp had a pair of blown Peavey speakers when I got it, and fliptops.net (the Ampeg experts) recommended Eminence Texas Heats. They were way too dark in this amp, but I was broke so I kept them in. A few years later I pulled one of the Heats to put in a Traynor YCV40 (it sounded great in that amp) and replaced it with a Swamp Thang which might have helped a little, but not much.

    Right now I'm using an EQ pedal to suck out some low mids and boost highs- it works, but I'd really rather not to have to use it. I just pulled the other Texas Heat to put in a Genz Benz Black Pearl (it sounds great in that amp), so now I'm looking for a new speaker for the VT22. I'm looking for an 8 ohm 12" speaker that can handle 100 watts and has a bright and/or lower mid scooped sound. Any suggestions?
     
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    JBL E120 comes to mind as a good option. I find all of the Jensen Reissue speakers to be terribly bright, but also terrible so I wouldn't go that route.
     
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    JBL too. Or Weber California.
     
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    JBL D120. I have both those and the E120. The E is more good for a monitor, IMO. Too full-range to sound good with guitar.

    And I know I'm in the minority here, but I really like the modern Jensen C12Ns in my Twin.
     
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    The Eminence Lil Texas is a lightweight Neo, on the bright side, doesn't sound anything like the Texas Heat. Great speaker, and of course I haven't heard any amp that didn't sound good with a Red Fang.
     
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    I picked up a Celestion V-type a while ago for an extension cabinet. It's a great full-range speaker, breaks up beautifully. I pair it with a WGS Reaper 30 in my Blackstar, which is very dark.
     
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    Peavey 12" Scorpion Guitar speaker. Both 4 ohm and 8 ohm versions sound rather bright to me.
     
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    I've used an Emi Lil' Texas ( neo mag) in my old Blues Jr. since that speaker debuted.
    I initially got it to reduce weight from stock BJ speaker, plus its high power rating and volume. It is big, clean and light!
     
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    Heavy as a neutron star but the EVM12s I have in a cab and boogie combo are by far the cleanest, clearest, brightest speakers I have. They miss nothing. Anything I put through them sound huge and detailed.
     
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    Scour Ebay. The Celestion Seventy-80 may be worth trying. A lot of folk add voices to Internet echo chambers decrying them, but once they're past their protracted bedding in and softening period, they're quite a capable speaker. They edge toward the bright. 80 Watts RMS is a little short of your 100 Watt requirement, but unless you turn everything to 11, it probably won't be an issue.

    The Jensen Jet range are rather good. Very good highs with good, but not prominent bass and mids.
     
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    The cab could be very dark. Is it pretty deep?

    Maybe you need tilt back legs for it, or at least casters.
     
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    I had 2 x 12' JBLs in a Fender Twin and they were almost ice pick in sound.
     
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    some the brightest speakers I have used are the Eminence Wizard, very efficient. Also JBL K120 is a bright speaker as well as the the Weber Chicago and California.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies!

    I do play with a fair amount of dirt ("classic rock" level dirt, not "chuga chuga metal") so I think JBL styles would be a little TOO bright... Weber recommends the Michigan (EV clone), anyone have experience with those? I'm also looking at the Blue Dog and Eminence Wizard (both seem to have solid low end and extended highs).



    Good point- I've never had the volume above half, and at that point it's loud enough to neuter small animals. It's probably putting out close to 100w at that point ('70s V-series Ampegs put out WAY more power than they're rated), but a pair of 70-80w speakers can handle that. I wouldn't want to be in the same zip code as this thing at full bore.
     
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    I have a Blue dog, it is on the bright side as well as a silver bell, also on the bright side, possibly a littler warmer sounding. I also have some 1980’s EVM 12L, they are very forward sounding in the minds, not really bright, not overly bassy.
    They respond that way even in a theile tsl 806 cabinet that I have.
     
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    I second the Eminence Lil' Texas speaker. I had a few in my 1972 twin reverb, and I liked them. They were nice and open, in tone. With a nice, tight, low-end, good mids, and nice, bright, but not icepick highs. I compared it to the Texas Heat in my Mustang III, and the Neo Lil' Texas speaker was better. It extended the high-end range a bit, tightened up the low-end, and added better clarity to the overall tone. It was most certainly a pleasant experiment to do since I have both the Texas Heat, and Lil' Texas. :)
     
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    Ask C.J. Sutton cj@tedweber.com at Weber. He's an excellent recommender.
     
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    To me a Emi 1218 is pretty clean, 150w, and bright. Maybe a touch more than a Texas Heat. But I'm pretty surprised you feel the Heat is not bright enough. On the cheap a RI Jensen C12Q should be plenty bright, not enough wattage though, for me personally it doesn't have much else to recommend it!
    Most Weber 12F125 versions are pretty bright and can be had with higher wattage.
    For a higher wattage speaker, I wonder if the Celestion 70/80 would do it. Not everyone's favorite speaker so can be had cheaper sometimes.
    Classic JBL's are ~35 watt speakers, so don't come close to your 100 watt requirement.
    The Weber Blue Dog is pretty bright.
    There's a JBL, I think it's the K120? My neighbor has one. It may be the brightest speaker I've ever heard. Piercingly bright. Black frame, huge magnet. No aluminum dustcap either.
    I'd go with the Emi 1218
    I assume you need 8 ohm?
     
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    I would go with either a pair of Weber 12F150A or 12F150W.

    The A cone will be brighter and cleaner. The W cone will be bright but have more mids and overtones/crunch.
     
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    I think slider is one the right track here. JBL's are good unless you use dirt. Then they're not so good. Try those Webers he suggests. They produce some unseemly bright speakers.
     
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