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Really Gibson $2500?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Pcaluaru, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Pcaluaru

    Pcaluaru Tele-Meister

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    So I'm down at the local music store checking out various amps with my MIA Special Telecaster, just looking at nothing in particular and there is this Les Paul Standard hanging nearby, so I decided to play a few bars on it and noodle,

    Really Gibson? Really? $2500.00 Wow…. NO way, Not me… I’ll pass. My stock Special out performed that Les Paul Standard on every level. Better sustain, Better action, Better feel Better sound… You name it!

    What is Gibson doing? Who’s dropping $2500 for a Les Paul Standard!? Talk about pricing themselves right out of the market. I guess it’s all in the name and the gas to have it.

    No wonder they had to develpe Epiphone brand (no one can afford anything with the Gibson name on it)
     
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  2. Frodebro

    Frodebro Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    If their QC was more consistent the guitars would be worth that kind of money, but you really do need to run the racks with Gibsons to find the good ones. But when you do, they're REALLY good.

    As far as the Epiphone brand, they didn't develop it to be a lower-priced brand. Gibson bought the Epiphone company in 1957 (they were primarily interested in acquiring the tooling), and Epiphones were made alongside the Gibson-branded guitars in the Kalamazoo factory until around 1970 when Norlin decided to turn them into more of a budget brand, at which point production was moved to Japan (later Korea, and currently there is a Gibson-owned factory in China).

    The Casinos that George Harrison and John Lennon played were from Kalamazoo.
     
  3. studio1087

    studio1087 Telefied Silver Supporter

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    Gibson makes far more "made in the USA" guitars that are priced under $1000 than Fender does. I have three Les Paul Specials that each cost under $1000. Come to think of it I have three SG Specials that each cost less than $1000.
     
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  4. FenderLover

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    $2500 sounds about right for a LP Standard. I see brand new Custom Shop Tele's on eBay between $4-7K and they don't have set necks or binding, if you're not into that.
     
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  5. tele12

    tele12 Friend of Leo's

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    How does the neck and body binding look on your American Special Tele? How are the block inlays on the fretboard and inlay in the headstock look?
     
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    Frippery!
     
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  7. Shanewilliams

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    Or the set neck, nitro finish, flamed maple cap, and every switching option know to man.

    They make studios and tributes in everyone's price range.
     
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  8. kelnet

    kelnet Telefied Ad Free Member

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    Wow, you guys are defending a Les Paul on THE site for fans of Telecasters. Poor form, fellas. Poor form. :)
     
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  9. Shanewilliams

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    Haha I'm so sorry! I love my tele just as much I swear :)
     
  10. TimothyC

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    I'm actually a big fan of the 2017 gibsons. But what do I know? I love my 2015 junior with the yuuuge neck. I'll agree that their setups from the factory are pretty Meh, action is generally pretty high and the strings absolutely suck on the ones I played. Fix those things and I'm sure it'd be worth every penny. But for 599 my Gibson lp junior with hardshell case and much hated gforce tuners was one helluva steal. A local guitar center still has 2 2015 juniors at the same price and can't seem to get rid of them. Awesome deals can be had at almost any price for a Gibson.
     
  11. studio1087

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    Not "defending" really........just a friendly reminder of a few facts. The first guitar that I bought in 1977 was a used Tele Custum. The second guitar that I bought in 1980 was a used Les Paul. I love them in that order. I did attend Les's funeral; he's a local guy. :cool:

    Three out of four of these cost less than $1000. The P90's are like Tele's on steroids. The one on the right (P90 Special) is one of my favorite guitars.

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  12. strat a various

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    I believe in 1959, a Les Paul was about $290 with case. According to most inflation calculators, that's $2400 in 2016 money, so yeah, they are about $100 overpriced. The question of quality control is a separate issue ... you can hunt and peck for a good quality example of the model in question, and find one.
     
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    I bought a 2016 ES 335. Blown away by the quality of the instrument. If I wanted something cheaper, they make studios.

    What is something worth? Whatever someone will pay for it. You pay for quality.
     
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    The real problem is that they come from the factory with 9s. Put some 10s and your preferred setup and you'll have a much different opinion, I bet.
    I bought 3 Gibsons this year. 2016 is a great year for the big G!
     
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    acoustic too. if you call it a scale out of 10. A Gibson will be a 10 (when everything is right) but for 1/4 the price you can get a masterbilt and they are a hard 9. come on Gibson, get off the gas.
     
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    I've never been able to bond with any gibsons except the big archtops. The short scale length, the ridiculous weight of the les pauls, the humbuckers--they just ever float my boat
     
  17. Pcaluaru

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    Well Sir... Just fine..... In fact, better than that Les Paul Standard. It seems with no set neck, no block inlays, no binding, that American Special out performs that Les Paul Standard in every way.

    Good to know that's what you judge quality on.

    I look at overall playability, feel, sustain etc. I play instruments. I don't not hang them on a wall to look at. So the instruments performance is first and foremost.

    What I typed wasn't so much meant to be a slam on Gibson (I used to play Les Paul Customs) but rather a complement towards Fender.

    Your close if not spot on... My search on the internet has $375.00 that's around $3,111.19 by the inflation cal I used... I totally get where your coming from. But the quality of a Les Paul Standard going for $375.00 in 1959 and the Quality of a 2016 Les Paul Standard going for $2500 is way different...

    RIGHT? or am I off base?


    I'm interested only in performance & Not block inlays etc. I’m a tele guy…. We kinda of don’t care about accoutrements, bells and whistles. After all the Telecaster is the John Deer of the Guitar world...


    Right now I'm looking at the Gibson's web site while typing this and looking at their "True Historic Series" Starting at $8,999.00..
    I have to laugh.. OMG!!! NO FRACKEN WAY!"

    As someone who played Les Paul Customs for years... When i played them... my first one was bought for $799.00 back in 1986. now they go for $4700 ... IMO Gibson has totally lost touch
     
  18. mrBun

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    Horses for courses.
    I have 6 Fenders here...2 Les Pauls...standard and Custom...A Casino....3 Gretsches ...a Ric....A Danelectro...2 Godins....a Martin...A Takamine...a Salieri...Emmons PP...MSA Legend and a GFI....a no name mutt with Nashville tuning ...there are a few others at home...Fender/Roland ready...Carver Nylon....Takamine...Line6.

    There is not a bad guitar amongst them.
    Why?
    Every single guitar has been professionally set up to my exact specifications...many have aftermarket parts.

    My point is that; unless there are severe physical issues like warpage, every guitar can be turned into a useful instrument at any price point. On the rare occasion I physically enter a shop to buy a guitar, it is assessed on the basis of need for a specific characteristic that isn't present in my current herd....a spare for gigging...or just a blatant, unapologetic desire to own the sucker.

    I see it as an entry point...potential.

    Once purchased, the instrument is immediately sent off for a comprehensive setup.
    After an initial honeymoon period, it may go back for further adjustment or for the addition of aftermarket parts.

    Every single instrument in my modest collection is a winner. Because every single instrument arrives into my hands as a blank page...potential.

    Anything else is down to druthers.
     
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    I work part time at a big box guitar store and I must say that the QC with Gibson is really bad. We have had 3 acoustics just die on the wall. Their necks just twisted.

    The 335's we get in are so very hit and miss. Uneven frets, jagged edges inside the f holes. It is really bad..

    I never though I would advocate buying high end epiphones and changing out the pickups/wiring but I do it all the time.

    The epi Sheratons are great guitars. 699$ + 300$ pickup/wiring upgrades + 75$ tuner upgrade + 100$ fret level (IF needed) = 1200$ish depending on what options you put into it

    The above will destroy a stock 335. The studio 335's are even more miserable, don't get me started.

    If you want quality in a new Gibson 2500.00$ is the minimum you should be expecting to pay.
     
  20. 8barlouie

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    I bought a Les Paul Traditional in 2012. Everything is perfect. Maybe I just got lucky, but if I'm to believe everything I read about Gibson USA I would expect every other one on the rack to be a turkey. I suspect their QC short comings have been grossly exaggerated. Having said that, I hardly play it. LOL
     
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