Really bad Friday job on a GC exclusive FSR butterscotch

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  1. fjrabon

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    The butt crack doesn’t really bother me at all. The string through holes in the bridge plate not aligning with the string through holes in the body does.
     
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    So your pay isn’t excessive!?
     
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    Is there a correlation between pay and butt crack? Discuss.
     
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    I encourage you to go through the Archives, and look at all the times someone bought an expensive Fender Reissue model and had the bridge canted like this.

    Given this scenario, there's basically two choices:

    1) Get the vendor to cut the price and you fix it yourself;

    2) Buy an example that doesn't have this passing misalignment issue.

    There is no third option. I mean, I remember in 2011 when people got MIM '72 Thinlines and the pickguard and bridge and everything simply could not be made to align. That's the kind of thing Ensenada should be criticized for. Or if the heel is almost 1/8ths inch thicker on the bass side than on the treble side. Or when the bridge on certain Blacktop Teles was positioned in the wrong place because the reference holes were positioned wrong. These are real manufacturing defects. With all due respect, your guitar possesses no meaningful manufacturing defect. If you were in a lawyer's office and thought you had a claim, he'd be escorting you to the door - good night.
     
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    It is hard to believe that the person that installed the bridge did not notice, then it went through QC, and then someone at GC put the guitar on the floor. The last new Fender I purchased was in 1992 and that is one of the reasons.
     
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    That isn’t how I’d do it. The body is already locked into a fixture on the table of a CNC mill and has a 0 location established. An automatic tool changer swings a router bit into the spindle and all the routes are made. There’s every reason to swing twist drills into the spindle to drill neck and bridge holes.
     
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    That's right. The boys in the Custom Shop do some hand drilling of such things, but on the Production side, nope. And even when they "hand drill" stuff, a jig or template is used, referencing existing landmarks on that body. The engineering behind the manufacture of these bodies is super comprehensive.
     
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    Oh, I'm 100% certain you can do better with it than you think. I guarantee you that the string holes were all drilled at the exact same time and line up perfectly. Just turn a couple of screws and it will be a much more acceptable butt-crack. If you can't, you'd be justified in your complaint. But it looks to me like the bridge is just rotated a little off.

    It's a bolt-together guitar. It's approximately the same degree of woodworking precision as your dining-room table. Those pieces slide apart, and they slide back together again. It's the beauty of a Fender, and also why so many of them play like crap. But if you can operate a screw-driver, you can fix `em. It's basically a Chevelle.

    All my Gibsons are very well made. I would say they're a step up in craftsmanship from any Fender I've owned (although I did have to have the tailpiece on my ES-175 slightly re-positioned. Norlin era). Also somewhat less user-serviceable by design. You're not going to simply tweak that neck or bridge into alignment if there's a problem with it. So whatever it is, you're stuck with it.

    But if you're not happy with it, you can either ask the store to fix or discount it, or you can just not buy it. If you think they're not that good, that's a valid opinion. There are other fish in the sea.

    Personally, I don't own any Fenders now. All mine are partscasters that clock in at just under a grand. My EJ Strat was a fine guitar, though. I still had to tweak the neck to get it lined up perfectly. But it cost as much new as my two recent model, used Gibsons.
     
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    Agree with Boris and Kafka. If you look at the screws in the pic, the one on the right is screwed down with the bridge slightly off canter, making the two screws on the left slightly unseated. It can be loosened up, adjusted and screwed back down. No reason for post after post bemoaning Fender's lack of QC. It's possibly an opportunity to get a slight discount on the guitar and a quick DIY at home and...
    Voila! A perfect new guitar at a reduced rate! No need for getting one's panties in a bunch. :rolleyes: ;)
    (That is . . . if one seeks perfection).
     
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    the thing that strikes me about this is how small guitar builders take a beating and have such a hard time selling guitars because no one wants to 'take a chance' on them... hehe haha hoho. They just don't have the reputation that fender does LOL.
     
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    Exactly. I've got one I'm trying to sell locally and one guy is like..."but it's homemade".
     
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    ok Fender did a crap job, poor quality. shame on them..or on someone. :)

    now what ?

    I have TWO 52/RI's an 88 and an 89. Both of them you can see the edge of the PUP cutout cavity even when the ashtray is aligned perfectly.

    My take, just a sloppy install. Before going crazy, loosen the strings , loosen the 4 ashtray screws , see how much play you have and if you can align it to your satisfaction, if you can't, well then return it . Nobody drilled any holes by hand on a production guitar.



    photo's two different guitars.
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    That's some ugly work.

    Can't agree that Fender doesn't get torn apart for things like this, though. That conclusion is anecdotally based. I see plenty of criticism of them. I also see plenty of rabid Gibson fan boys who refuse to admit that the Gibson standard production line's fret work, nut work, and sometimes finish work has been sub-par at the price point for over 20 years now. I must say (as a long time Gibson lover, but modern-era Gibson quality detractor), these things on the 2019s I have played are significantly better, as is the product lineup.

    I like Gibsons. I like Fenders. Both can roll out some real stinkers. The Fenders are sometimes easier to fix, though. Nonetheless I'd send that guitar back unless it stood out as being particularly amazing among others in that run. Quality can't improve if the manufacture is not taken to task on these issues by their dealers.
     
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    This cuts both ways, though.

    Talk to a lot of people who are Prisoner to their Fender or other top name guitar, because to mod it is to lose value should you decide to sell.

    When it comes to smaller outfits, they made it custom to your specifications and you can change whatever you like because the next guy really has no way of knowing precisely how it looked when you first got it. I know guys who find this extremely liberating. People stop worrying about keeping it perfectly stock and they're free to change it to the point

    They Don't Have to Sell it at all.

    I wonder if we could assign a dollar value to this freedom.
     
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    don't get me wrong I think fender makes some fine instruments... this one is probably not an example of that... if they took that little care to install the bridge... what other little surprises are hidden therein?
     
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    I love that freedom! And, it's a freedom you can create for yourself - it's all in how you think about things.

    As many of you already know, I cherry pick this Fender-branded body, that Fender-branded neck, those hand-wound pickups, these particular electronic components... and then put the instrument together myself.

    This approach beats the heck out of all the off-the-rack Fenders - and is a lot of fun in the planning, shopping, and the making. I've been using only Fender necks and Fender bodies - my guitars ARE Fenders... just put together myself and tweaked differently than a stocker. To me, they're worth MORE than a stock Fender, because you can't find stockers that please this thoroughly, play so well, and sound so good.

    I don't worry for a moment that someone else may not see the value in them somewhere far down the road. I create them for myself, to be enjoyed here and now, not for the purpose of finding some buyer at some later time.
     
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    Bud Grag, Bud Grag... to the white courtesy phone please... Bud Grag! :lol:
     
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    As for the misaligned bridge... yeah not an acceptable issue. I'd probably just pass on the instrument and buy something else.

    Though as Boris mentioned, it's quite possible that loosening the four screws and twisting the plate to the left would align things up just fine. The butt crack would probably disappear and the 6th and 5th string through holes would probably line up under the bridge holes. So it may not be a big deal, really.

    As for Fender getting "a pass" where Gibson does not... I really don't concern myself with those kinds of worries. Who cares? Life is too short.
     
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