[Rant] Why is CHORDPRO stuck in 1998?

telel6s

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{start_of_rant} So I've finally broken down to transfer my music sheets to a tablet. I have thirty-five+ years of lyric/chord sheets in various binders. Some were even created on "typewriter". For apps I've tried both Open Song and SetList Helper and, on advice of friends, paid for SetList Helper.

At first, I just copied PDFs to the tablet. The problem with that is that many of them are formatted to be on a music stand. For example, I might type out the chorus just once. Or if first verse is also the last verse it gets typed out only once. If that goes to two pages, no problem. But on a tablet where the song document has to be scrolled, that does not always work. Additionally, I have two different sized tablets which use a different location naming system so if I create the link to the PDF on the 7" tablet it doesn't translate to the 10.5" tablet and vice versa.

No problem I tell myself, I'll use the CHORDPRO format. And then I find out it has fewer features than the HTML I first played around with in 1998. Inserting chords in brackets [Em7] within the lyrics works most of the time. Unless I need a chord per beat in which case they are all scrunched up together because multiple spaces within lyrics get changed to just one space.

And then the formatting and environment directives in CHORDPRO (like tags in HTML) are quite limited. And you can't use one embedded within another. Add to that, not all programs have implemented all of the directives. For example, in SetList Helper supports the start_of_chorus/end_of_chorus but not the same directives for verse or bridge.

This means I'm creating bodges (for multiple spaces I'll do ". . . ." or something similar. And creating a new song on the SetList Helper website is easier to start, but then because of inconsistent formatting I have to go back and forth between the tablet and the laptop to get things right.

I know some of my problems are with how SetList Helper has implemented CHORDPRO. But still, I find it to be much more limited than I was expecting which means taking more time to add a new song and having to make compromises in the final result.

Aaaarrrrgggghhhhh.

If anybody knows that a different app has a better, more complete implementation of CHORDPRO I'd be happy to hear about it.

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I use setlist helper and for the most part, I like it. If the song is available in Chordpro format online then you can download as is and they work fine. It is possible the arrangement may differ from yours or has errors. If you are copying to the program you might try making your changes in Word first then copying everything to Setlist. I don't have the same problem when adding brackets, the chords stay where I put them. I do everything on PC then sync the Setlist helper.
 

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I use Band in a Box for my backing tracks, but like the OP, my lyrics were in a couple of large 3-ring binders. I also wanted to convert those into tablet-friendly form. Bought a tablet, researched software, tried to enter songs and figuratively fell flat on my face. I couldn't transfer lyrics in a format that showed measures as well as chords. Rather than having to type out each song individually, I found a way to enter the lyrics in BIAB- problem solved. It took eight months to finish the project, and I'n still finding the occasional hole that I have to go back and "fill," but I have been able to eliminate thelyric books and about 8-9 lb from my equipment case. The computer is on my music stand when I perform, and the words, chords and measures are right in front of me, so this antiquated gaseous indiscretion won't have any "senior moments" while performing.
 

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I use Band in a Box for my backing tracks, but like the OP, my lyrics were in a couple of large 3-ring binders. I also wanted to convert those into tablet-friendly form. Bought a tablet, researched software, tried to enter songs and figuratively fell flat on my face. I couldn't transfer lyrics in a format that showed measures as well as chords. Rather than having to type out each song individually, I found a way to enter the lyrics in BIAB- problem solved. It took eight months to finish the project, and I'n still finding the occasional hole that I have to go back and "fill," but I have been able to eliminate thelyric books and about 8-9 lb from my equipment case. The computer is on my music stand when I perform, and the words, chords and measures are right in front of me, so this antiquated gaseous indiscretion won't have any "senior moments" while performing.
What do you mean by "BIAB"? I'm not familiar with that abbreviation.

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When I have a gig, I only play songs I already know. At home, a printed PDF or typed or handwritten pages and tab work just fine.

Maybe not the answer you're looking for, but it's not a bad one.
 

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When I have a gig, I only play songs I already know. At home, a printed PDF or typed or handwritten pages and tab work just fine.

Maybe not the answer you're looking for, but it's not a bad one.
I like the answer but it has limitations.
1- Like you, when I'm playing in a regular band I don't want crutches
2- For one-offs a binder helps
3- playing in the band at church, where we might do a particular song once every 2-3 months, I broke down and started using charts every week. It makes me feel unprofessional and flabby but you do what it takes.
 

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@telel6s

Check out OnSong.

There's a little bit of a learning curve, but once you use it a few times, it is incredibly fast and smooth.

It takes many different input/data formats, you can transpose keys instantly, you can communicate with other players, you store on/sync to the cloud (e.g., Dropbox, etc.), and many other features. With a Bluetooth pedal like an AirTurn you can scroll like a teleprompter or flip page to page. It's amazing.

Look:

 

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telel6s

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@telel6s

Check out OnSong.

There's a little bit of a learning curve, but once you use it a few times, it is incredibly fast and smooth.

It takes many different input/data formats, you can transpose keys instantly, you can communicate with other players, you store on/sync to the cloud (e.g., Dropbox, etc.), and many other features. With a Bluetooth pedal like an AirTurn you can scroll like a teleprompter or flip page to page. It's amazing.

Look:


Thanks. But I'm an Android kind of person. OnSong is apple only.

OnSong does seem to have implemented all of the ChordPro directives which SetList Helper has not. And it looks like OnSong has some separate formatting tags to bold, italicize, highlight or change color of a single line of text -- I can see how that would be helpful. And the basic user interface is definitely more modern and likely more user friendly than SetList Helper.

But at it's core, OnSong is still using ChordPro. And that was what my rant was really about.

Some of the other features in OnSong are cool (midi and lighting integration, controlling external devices, display via external video) and I can see their use for some people and circumstances. But I'm not one of those people.

Thanks again.
 

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OnSong. I just removed a bunch of stuff from mine and have 367 tunes remaining.
Since I’m no longer hosting an open mic/jam I got rid of a lot of stuff I’ll never play again.
A tablet on a mic stand is a lot less obtrusive than a music stand IMO.

Any way, when I go to listen to music I could not care less about what the band/performer is wearing, if they have any stands, tablets, gimmicks or anything else. I’m there to listen to music.
 




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