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Questions for college football experts

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Thoughtfree, Oct 15, 2020.

  1. Thoughtfree

    Thoughtfree Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    Our Minneapolis newspaper featured an article about the U of MN football coach, who voluntarily took a pay cut because of this year's unfortunate conditions. This year, instead of being paid $4,600,000, he will be paid $4,280,000, to coach twelve games. Other coaches apparently have made similar sacrifices.

    Some say that the members of this profession are overpaid. Others say they aren't paid enough. Points that I don't understand:

    Is there a direct correlation between coach pay and number of wins?

    Why don't they pay coaches only for wins? If the MN coach were paid $500,000 per win and zero per loss, he'd walk home with $6,000,000 if he won all twelve games. Incentive-based pay works for other sports. Why not college football? Is there a flaw, or a problem, in doing it this way?

    Does a winning football program matter to anyone other than sports fans?

    I hope this thread interests folks, and doesn't get shut down. Thanks to all.
     
  2. burntfrijoles

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    He’ll only coach about 8 games this year.
    In terms of Salary, That’s not the way it works. They had to pay him “market value” to get him. Then, after he won big last year, they had to up his pay to keep him or dissuade other programs from poaching him.

    They are overpaid in one sense but that the market. Plus when they win it generates more money for the school via ticket and merchandise revenue,plus boosters give more donations.
     
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    I worked in higher ed for 15 years, and that latter justification is actually pretty questionable. There are bucket tons of highly endowed schools who don't play basketball or football in the money conferences, and don't pay coaches anywhere near that much. There are others that (inexplicably) keep doing it despite being clearly non-donation-inspiring perennial doormats.

    Ultimately, it's about ethics. Do they want to have an entertainment business (in reality a developmental league pro team) with free labor, or not?
     
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    It’s really not the same. Doctors are under a pay for performance system. “Cures” are not what you purchase. You purchase treatments.
    A coach is paid to win just as CEOs are paid for success in the market.
     
  6. Injam

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    What are the treatments for?
     
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    They all have agents. Any time middlemen are involved things get out of whack.
     
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    There's a contract, with no pandemic or win lose clause that requires a decrease in salary for college coaches.. That being said, PJ Fleck the coach of Minny was I would say is somewhat generous in his offering. Remember, coaches are busy ALL year long with hiring coaches, recruiting, game days, pre season workouts, managing players, media time, etc... It's really way more than a full time job. Despite the pandemic, the efforts still go on and probably even more so now with quarantining and player monitoring. Not sticking up for him personally as I am a Nebraska fan but the efforts win or lose are the same I believe for all of them. GBR
     
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  10. Injam

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    I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination.

    Big time College Football (SEC/ACC/BiG 10/BIG 12/PAC 12 etc.) can generate millions of dollars in revenue for the colleges. So there is definitely an interest in having a successful program in place. Coaches will make boat loads of money as long as they are successful. Their reputations and past successes will only carry them so far so job security is not great. The Head Coaches are responsible for running the entire program - coaching staff, recruiting, players, all of it. Its a lot of responsibility that they carry 365.

    In terms of paying for performance - I don't see that happening anytime soon because there's just no certainty to sports and a smart head coach is not going to bank on what might happen. They'll go where the money is guaranteed and if you have a good track record, colleges will pay.

    Here's what the top 20 coaches made in 2019


    College football coaches salaries 2019
    Coach School 2019 salary
    1. Dabo Swinney Clemson $9,315,600
    2. Nick Saban Alabama $8,857,000
    3. Jim Harbaugh Michigan $7,504,000
    4. Jimbo Fisher Texas A&M $7,500,000
    5. Kirby Smart Georgia $6,871,600
    6. Gus Malzahn Auburn $6,827,589
    7. Tom Herman Texas $6,750,000
    8. Jeff Brohm Purdue $6,600,000
    9. Lincoln Riley Oklahoma $6,384,462
    10. Dan Mullen Florida $6,070,000
    11. James Franklin Penn State $5,650,000
    12. Pat Fitzgerald Northwestern $5,144,937
    13. Mike Gundy Oklahoma State $5,125,000
    14. Scott Frost Nebraska $5,000,000
    15. Willie Taggart Florida State (fired) $5,000,000
    16. Charlie Strong South Florida (fired) $5,000,000
    17. Gary Patterson TCU $4,900,776
    18. Kirk Ferentz Iowa $4,800,000
    19. Mark Stoops Kentucky $4,763,600
    20. Chris Petersen Washington (resigned) $4,625,000
     
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    if 100,000 fans come to watch the procedure then maybe.

    it's the free market at work.
     
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