Power Supply Options

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  1. SixStringSlinger

    SixStringSlinger Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    I'm in the midst of constructing my pedal board, and I'm wondering what my options are, power supply-wise.

    As it is, it looks like I'll have to power 13 pedals (no judging) that require Boss-type 9v power, and one that requires 15v.

    I'd like to get as close as possible to powering everything with one power supply, both to keep things neat and to require a minimum of wall outlets (ideally, just one for the amp, and one for the board).

    I would also need some long(ish) cables to run from the supply to each pedal, as the board itself will be somewhat large in area.
     
  2. Tim Bowen

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    Haven't thoroughly scrutinized your stipulations, but I'd say the Cioks 'Ciokolate' might come close to being the ticket.
     
  3. waparker4

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    Or Cioks DC-10, plus a daisy chain for some of the analog pedals
     
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    One of the Cioks units or Walrus Audio Phoenix (I can't remember if it has the 15v option, but if you have an adapter you could use the courtesy outlet.)
     
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    The Voodoo Labs Mondo will get you close, with potential to power 12 pedals, but some of them are DC and some AC--I'm not sure if the combination it offers will work for your set up. If I were you, I'd probably buy two Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2+ units, and plug one into the other's auxiliary power jack. Your 15v pedal can plug into the other aux power jack.
     
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    As far as the longer DC cables to reach your pedals, I think Smallbear Electronics sells nice long (24") DC cables for $1 or so. Good quality molded ends too.

    -Ryan
     
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    Hard to say. You need to get the specs on every pedal and add up the total amperage.

    If all your pedals are not Boss it would be a good idea to double check they are the same polarity.
     
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    Get two power supplies, one for the AC and one for the DC?
     
  9. jez79

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    The mondo can power up to 14 pedals (two of those at 12v, and not every pedal can be run at 12v) and has no AC connections.
    15 volts is trickier to find, but you might be able to use a voltage doubler cable by using the two sag outputs set to 7.5v. I woud contact voodoo first to check if that's a good idea.
     
  10. SixStringSlinger

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    I don't mean to ask anyone to do my work for me :lol: but we're getting into stuff I don't know much about, especially the AC vs. DC power.

    Here's my lineup (again, no judging)

    Dunlop DVP3 Volume Pedal (on its way; not sure if this even needs power)
    Z. Vex Vexter Fuzz Factory (can't recall if this works with a BOSS adapter; I want to say yes)
    Keeley-modded BOSS DS-1 Distortion (the BOSS adapter this takes is the one I'm referring to)
    Radial Tonebone Trimode Pedal (this is the 15v one)
    Loop Master 3 Looper w/Master Bypass (just needs power for the LED's)
    Dunlop Rotovibe
    Dunlop Crybaby from Hell (works w/ BOSS adapter)
    Digitech Whammy V (the most recent one; supposed to work w/ BOSS adapter iirc)
    ElectroHarmonix Ravish Sitar (supposed to work w/ BOSS adapter)
    BBE Soul Vibe (works w/ BOSS adapter)
    BBE Mind Bender Chorus/Vibrato (works w/ BOSS adapter)
    Seymour Duncan Shape Shifter tremolo (old green one; works w. BOSS adapter)
    Digitech Obscura Altered Delay
    Ibanez LF7 Lo-Fi (works w/ BOSS adapter)
     
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    I forgot my MXR Dyna Comp which works with my BOSS adapter :D
     
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    If you haven't picked a power supply yet, I would seriously consider the MXR CAE MC403 power supply (Dunlop). I think it will give you everything you need. I have one under my board and it has been fantastic. I don't see it mentioned as much as other providers, but it is very flexible and powerful.
     
  13. SixStringSlinger

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    Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out.

    It turns out that all my pedals run on 9v DC, aside from the Trimode (15v) and the volume pedal (passive and unpowered). So that's 13 9v pedals and a 15v.
     
  14. waparker4

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    Here's how I would break this down, YMMV!

    Dunlop DVP3 Volume Pedal - passive
    Z. Vex Vexter Fuzz Factory - low current, high gain
    Keeley-modded BOSS DS-1 Distortion - low current, high gain
    Radial Tonebone Trimode Pedal (this is the 15v one)
    Loop Master 3 Looper w/Master Bypass - low current, no/low gain
    Dunlop Rotovibe - low current, analog modulation
    Dunlop Crybaby from Hell - low current, high gain
    Digitech Whammy V - high current digital 245 mA
    ElectroHarmonix Ravish Sitar - high current digital 160 mA
    BBE Soul Vibe - low current, analog modulation
    BBE Mind Bender Chorus/Vibrato - low current, analog modulation
    Seymour Duncan Shape Shifter tremolo - low current, analog modulation
    Digitech Obscura Altered Delay - low current, digital 75mA
    Ibanez LF7 Lo-Fi - low current, high gain
    Dyna Comp - low current, low gain


    So that's
    low current, high gain = 4
    low current, digital =1
    high current, digital =2
    15 V, high current = 1
    low current, analog modulation = 4
    low current, no/low gain = 2


    Looking at the Cioks DC-10, which is what is explicity recommended by Radial for providing the 15 V, you could run the Radial off the 15V outlet, run the Whammy, Ravish and the Digitech delay off the remaining 400 mA outlets. Now you have 6 lower current 9V outlets to split up between 10 remaining pedals (or get the 16 outlet Ciokolate)

    The high gain stuff you use all the time and need to be low noise you could dedicate to their own outlets. You'd have to play around with it but there should be some combo of analog pedals you can daisy chain together w/o causing too much noise. like the passive loop pedal, the comp, the tremolo, the Lo-Fi if you only use it situationally/it's always going to be noisy.. etc.

    So that's a 10 outlet unit + a 4- or 5- daisy chain for some combo of analog pedals that work nicely together.. I'd think you could find something that works there. YMMV.
     
  15. uriah1

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    You should probably add up your MA...just in case...

    imho
     
  16. SixStringSlinger

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    Thanks, waparker4. I hadn't thought to look at it that way.

    uriah1: I'll look at that when I get home tonight.

    General question about voltage and MA: I know that less than the pedal needs is bad, 'cause then it just won't work (though I've heard of fuzzes and wahs benefitting from a little 'starvation). Is 'too much' also bad? Like, does one risk blowing up a pedal?
     
  17. waparker4

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    Too much voltage can be bad, or too little (i.e. digital delay screeching when the battery gets low on voltage).. or too little can be good (i.e. fuzz) . Exceeding 9V with some pedals is good, with others is bad. Some overdrives, preamps, compressors, etc. can go up to 18V and sound different. Every pedal will have a max voltage that it can take, afaik, but those will vary.

    Too little current is bad

    As for too much current I believe the unit will only draw as much as it needs. The total sum of all pedals on an outlet needs to be within the max current capacity of that outlet.
     
  18. uriah1

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    I had a delay pedal once that sucked up 900ma..all my others were 250ma...which is
    pretty much standard
     
  19. waparker4

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    Standard for what? most analog pedals are way under that . A boss dd-3 draws 35 mA
     
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    Here is the current draw for some of my pedals... Most overdrives draw just a few mA (milliamps).

    Hardwire Supernatural - 75 mA
    Joyo Analog Delay - 40 mA
    Joyo Analog Chorus - 12 mA
    Joyo Pocket Metal - 13 mA
    Boss TU-3 - 85 mA
    Joyo AC Tone - 3,8 mA
    Joyo British - 3,8 mA
    Joyo Ultimate Drive - 6 mA
    Joyo Sweet Baby - 5 mA
    Ibanez TS-9 - 7,5 mA
    Moen GEC 8 Jr switcher - 350 mA


    All of this could easily be powered with a One-Spot or Godlyke Powerall (mine has a 2000 mA capacity!).
     
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