Possible fake??

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  1. R3L1C

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    image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg Hey everyone. I came across this "telecaster" and my buddy paid a good amount for it. $1000 Canadian. And I have no idea what model it is. Or if it is even a real fender. It's a quilt top sunburst. Has a belly cut and arm contour. It has no skunk stripe or truss rod access on the headstock. Looks like there is a truss rod adjustment on the neck heal but on the side? Noiseless pickups. Looks like some suspect abalone dot inlays. Finish is worn off the neck in weird spots like at the back of the neck but way at the bottom near the pocket. No serial number that I can find. Gotoh tuners.

    Any ideas??? Fake???
     
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    I'm betting on fake. Neck heel countour looks very non-fender to me, and crooked, to boot. And I have no idea what's up with that side screw on the neck. And, without a doubt, there should be a serial number. Also looks like the decal itself was put on poorly, scrunching the numbers at the end.

    Others will know more than I do, but I definitely am suspicious of it.........
     
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    It doesn't look right at all to me.
    Maybe a partscaster, maybe a home-build,
    maybe a korean copy, etc. etc. etc.
    The thing on the side of the neck screams wrong to me.

    The only thing I'm sure of is it's NOT a stock Telecaster bought as it was new.
    It's either modified, parts-swapped, or entirely fake.
    I personally doubt any of it is Fender. Everything looks wrong.
    Neck is entirely wrong for Fender Tele's,
    Body doesn't look like any Fender Tele I've ever seen, color-burst-finish-wise.

    *Edit* After mulling it over, yeah, I'd return that ASAP.
    Definitely not a *Fender* Telecaster.
    If it plays well though, and he likes it and feels it's worth the money,
    he may choose to keep it.
    However, it is definitely not a *Fender* Tele.
     
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    Isn't the side truss adjust a Warmoth thing?
     
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    Warmoth makes a neck with a side adjustment screw that is turned by a hex wrench

    http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Necks/SideAdjust.aspx

    In the 1990s or early 2000s Fender did sell a up scale tele with this option for a brief period of time and it had abalone inlays for about a year I think. It had noiseless pickups and hardware that is on your friends guitar but I don't think it had a forearm relief cut. It did have a belly cut. The one I saw was a blue burst flame maple top. This burst pattern looks Fenderish

    The neck pocket should have a production sticker in it with a bar code and s/n stamp. Check the bridge pickup cavity also.

    So right now I wouldn't rule it out that is could be a Fender. The arm relief is whats throwing it for me. I've never recall Fender doing that except for the Aerodyne Tele.
     
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    If ANY part of it is Fender, MAYBE the body is.
    The neck is definitely not Fender.
    No serial, no skunkstripe, no truss rod access at headstock,
    the list goes on and on..
    Could be an aftermarket neck from Warmoth maybe, though.
     
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    Get the serial, call Fender.
     
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    He said there is no serial on the headstock
     
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    Well then we wait for more expertise to arrive.
     
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    I tend to agree. I am not familiar enough with all models across the years to say the body/hardware are wrong. It is the neck that I, too, am calling it on.
     
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    Thats right ! Skunk stripe is required. To definately find out take the guitar apart. Neck will have a warmoth stamp on the heal and production stickers in the control cavity and neck pickup cavity. No stickers/ no Fender.
     
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    I'm guessing partscaster.... but a pretty cool partscaster. Likely a Warmoth neck (nobody's counterfeiting those with the side adjustment, that I know of) on a pretty awesome looking body. The person who built it wasn't trying to fool anyone, otherwise they would not have used a neck with that alternative truss adjustment. Chances are they were just building a cool guitar for themselves, and decided to sell it.
     
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    I stopped looking when I got to the headstock sticker. I can't imagine Fender QC would allow that to go out the door.
     
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    The neck is definitely Warmoth as I have one on a 2013 tele I put together last year and its the best neck ever its a 60,s U shape I love it IMG_0407.JPG IMG_0415.JPG IMG_0417.JPG
     
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    Well then, I learned something new today. :D Having never used or worked with a Warmoth neck, I had no idea they did truss rod adjustment in that manner........

    So it's now mostly a matter of what any stickers and/or markings inside the neck pocket say(or don't say).
     
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    All Warmoth necks come with those headstock decals and numbers I simply IMG_0408.JPG IMG_0495.JPG IMG_0487.JPG IMG_0492.JPG cut mine off
     
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    I have one, it works very well for small adjustments if it is set up properly in the first place.

    Tele07, the heel contour looks different on yours than on the OP's, but my strat neck looks more like his. Maybe that is related to the neck profile.

    IIRC, that side adjustment system was designed by Gotoh, so maybe the neck is neither Warmoth nor Fender.
     
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    Welp, there you go. It's a partscaster. And not a bad one.
    However, if it was sold as a genuine "Fender Telecaster",
    then the seller was trying to screw someone over.
    I'd get my money back in a heartbeat.
    It's the principle of the thing that irks me.
    If I wanted a Fender Tele, and got an *other* Tele,
    I'd be pretty pissed off.
    $1000 is way too much for that guitar.
    If I actually wanted it, I'd pay around $350 at most.
     
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    yea that is what i was thinking as soon as i saw the guitar. he bought it at a very small mom and pop shop in a small town and was told it was a genuine american telecaster. it was $999 plus tax! terrible...
     
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    If he wants a real American Telecaster, he should return it immediately,
    and threaten to report for fraud if they don't take it back with a full refund,
    as it is NOT a genuine American Telecaster.
    The shop owners may not know any better,
    but you never know.
     
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