Position 4

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  1. Bluego1

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    On my Baja. I’m playing humbuckers, or at least it sounds like it. Amirite?
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    That’s the idea. Results may vary
     
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    Similar, but different. The two coils are wired as they are in a humbucker, but spread way farther apart than on any "normal" humbucker.

    I get something similar on my American Deluxe Strat. I like it, as it lets me more closely match others' humbucker tones without sounding too similar.
     
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    Position 4 is awesome. That’s all you gotta know.
     
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    This. Why all Teles don’t come wired with a 4-way from the factory I’ll never know.
     
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    So, does the S1 engaged work only in the middle 3 way position?

    Or, does it work like the Deaf Eddie mod?
     
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    Because many of us don’t need or even want it?
     
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    It works in both Positions 2 (middle) and 4 (forward).
     
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    My 4 way switch has no position 4, but it does have a position 1.5
     
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    Maybe.
     
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    Yes, you're in series like a humbucker but you also have to have reverse-coil polarity and reverse-magnet polarity to really buck the hum. And even if you do, owing to the distance of the pickups from each other and the difference in the number of windings you still probably won't get 100% RF or 60Hz cancellation...so series alone a humbucker won't make. Consider it a bumhucker or something that rhymes.
     
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    Is it the same on an American Pro?
     
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    AFAIK, The American Pro comes with a conventional 3 position switch.
     
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    Fender could sell more guitars with a little thinking:
    -Put 4-way on Teles (and push/pull or etc on Strats) "so you don't need to get a second guitar with humbuckers" and slash the SKU count
    -Put a big guy standing on the necks for durability marketing
    -Show how they are using local and no at-risk fragile ecosystem rain forest lumber in building guitars
    -They are supporting US and Canadian lumber industries with local wood "Grown In America" projects to go GIA with that MIA guitar.

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    Correct; American Pros come with the 3-way switch.

    On American Elites (and American Deluxes from 2004-2015) they had a 3-way switch and the S-1 gave you the series wiring when you were in the middle (both pickups) position - so it was middle position both in parallel (i.e. normal modern wiring middle position) with the switch off and series with the switch engaged.
     
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    The 4-way is my favorite switching system, especially for gigging. While position 4 (both pickups in series) does not buck the hum, it does have an increased output, and some treble frequencies are diminished, so the tone is hotter and darker. For me, it's like a built in clean boost with the flick of the switch.

    I have 5 teles, but Logan Custom, not FMIC.
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    The "Custom" aspect of the name obviously means you get to make choices. The first and second guitars from the right have traditional 3-way switches. The one on the far left has a 5-way switch with Bill Lawrence's wiring. The second from left and the one in the middle both have 4-way switches (bridge, both in parallel, neck, both in series, but no S-1 like the Baja). And so I say again, the 4-way switching system is my favorite.
     
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    I recently bought a 72 Classic Thinline that the previous owner had installed a four way switch on, and I love it. It's quickly become the guitar I pick up most often.
     
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    While I enjoy my Baja, I seldom use the HB position. I have a couple of Les Pauls for that purpose.
     
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    I have 4 way switching and out of phase on all my teles, just cause I can really.


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    @LOSTVENTURE , I don't think of position 4, both in series, as the equivalent of a humbucker. There is more output and the tone is slightly darker than position 2 (both in parallel), but it doesn't sound like a PAF style HB to me. I do have an HB loaded guitar for that.

    The way I use my 4-way in the two guitars so equipped is for a clean boost effect. I play the verses to a song in Position 2 (traditional Tele both in parallel setting) and then for an instrumental break I flick it on up to Position 4. Since I play clean predominantly, the result of that position is a boost to the volume of the two pickups with a bit of fattening up of the tone but still predominantly clean. That's why I call it a clean boost with the flick of the switch. If I'm playing at the edge of breakup (I really don't do much Gain), then Position 4 gives me the boost in volume and a bit more grit, but not a lot of distortion, which is usually the most I'm after.
     
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