Please recommend a microphone for recording guitar from amp speaker.

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The Zoom H2 looks like a very versatile and capable recorder and would work for me but a shop that sells them, "pixelproaudio", said they don't work well with amp distortion. It would be a great portable recorder for live music. I think for a little more money I could get a high quality mic and whatever else I need. I just remembered that my amp has Line Out that can be set to Record. It also has a jack for "Phones/Record Out". I'll search forums for the quality of these outputs. If one of those outputs works well enough it would simplify the setup.

Thanks, Telemnemonics for the link to the article on bluetooth mics. It looks like one of the better bluetooth amps might suffice. There are a LOT of options overall. Researching this could take me days.

I wonder if I will eventually find that all of this is more trouble than it is worth. It might be better to just compare guitars and amp setting back and forth semi real time, the old fashioned way.

Yeah the line out set to "recording" or the phones out set to recording might be the way to go.
I haven't used that though, so can't comment.
Also not sure if the Katana offers a digital recording out for direct to computer recording, or if you need either a A/D converter or to rely on the mic in converter in your computer. There again though you get the compatibility concern where the Katana recording out is probably line level and the computer mic in is for a smaller mic level signal, so the line out will distort the mic input.
You can turn the line out way down with the amps volume, but again, this is the reason many choose a cheap dedicated digital recorder or the whole enchilada of higher quality components.

One of the used 8/16 track digital recording studios might be an option as they take a mic input and require no other component matching.
Lots of them for low prices used, not sure about new.

The little Zoom I'm not sure about your reading that they are not good for distorted guitar. Maybe that mans they are not good for close mic'ing loud sources.

For convenience I pull out my iphone if comparing this pedal to that one, because i can set up the whole rig and hit record in about 20 seconds.
Plus the studio is always in my pocket!
Just one of the lower quality options.

Check out some of @keithb7 's threads on new old amp days.
IIRC he records distorted guitar with a little Zoom or similar product, but interfaces the audio device with a digital camera for the video, which you may or may not want to do.
You mentioned your digital SLR stereo mic inputs, just a thought on how another member does it. Keith would be coming from the "lets try this" camp more than the "this is the best way" camp. AFAIK Keith does not record the audio with his camera, choosing the Zoom.

I believe Keith was hired to gut a Bassman RI and hand wire it, so he recorded it with the Zoom thing stock, then spent weeks gutting and rewiring the amp, then recorded it again with the same setup.
 
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The Zoom H2 looks like a very versatile and capable recorder and would work for me but a shop that sells them, "pixelproaudio", said they don't work well with amp distortion. It would be a great portable recorder for live music.

Love the Zoom stuff. I've had a H4n since they came out. Before that I had the H4. The mics on those are good enough to work with if you have too. I did a live recital CD for a friend that was recorded by him by setting the H4n on a table between the baby grand and the organ and pressing play at the beginning and stop at the end.
With a little processing magic it was a very credible little CD. All I did was set the gain on the built in mics, show him how to put it into play and make some vague suggestions about placement and hand it to him.

He handed it back. Edited, processed, cover, duplication and done.

A favor for a friend that made a nice keepsake and took 5 hours of time end to end that would have been frittered away on something like reading TDPRI.

Every other time I look at the camera case I keep it in, I think "I ought to sell that thing I never use it."

This alternates with "Where is that Zoom it's perfect for this?"

You can record anything with them. Just know that your recording is raw material. Even Spielberg doesn't shoot a finished movie with a camcorder. It takes some further work to make a satisfying product.

It's all about presentation.
 

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Love the Zoom stuff. I've had a H4n since they came out. Before that I had the H4. The mics on those are good enough to work with if you have too. I did a live recital CD for a friend that was recorded by him by setting the H4n on a table between the baby grand and the organ and pressing play at the beginning and stop at the end.
With a little processing magic it was a very credible little CD. All I did was set the gain on the built in mics, show him how to put it into play and make some vague suggestions about placement and hand it to him.

He handed it back. Edited, processed, cover, duplication and done.

A favor for a friend that made a nice keepsake and took 5 hours of time end to end that would have been frittered away on something like reading TDPRI.

Every other time I look at the camera case I keep it in, I think "I ought to sell that thing I never use it."

This alternates with "Where is that Zoom it's perfect for this?"

You can record anything with them. Just know that your recording is raw material. Even Spielberg doesn't shoot a finished movie with a camcorder. It takes some further work to make a satisfying product.

It's all about presentation.

Thanks, the zoom sounds like a viable and easy option and I will consider it.

To stay on track, I just want to compare tones for evaluation. I don't need presentation quality as much as I need accuracy so that I make accurately informed decisions reguarding amp settings and guitar pickups.

By the way, I use Photoshop and Lightroom a lot, maybe too much, so I'm familiar with polishing for presentation.
 

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Sennheiser E609 is my favorite. SM57 will work just fine for your purposes. You should be able to find a used one for $50 or less.
 

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I find the H2N Zoom pretty darn good for a home hobbyist hack such as myself. It handles loud distorted amps fine for my needs. Mostly amp demos.

I often record video on my iphone. (Propped up on a music stand). Then record the audio with the H2N. I use a video editing program to marry the H2N audio to the video. I mute out the iphone audio recorded. Its not hard to do. The results suit me fine.

Not all of my YT videos utilize the H2N. Sometimes I am im a hurry and just my iphone is used for video and audio. Its not as good as with the H2N.
 
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Today I bought a cheap mic at a thrift shop. It is an Audio-Technica ATR20. It is cardioid but retails for about $10. It works through my computers audio in jack but it sounds pretty bad. Voice through the mic sounds marginal. I recorded using "Audacity" a free sound editing app. I set up my computers audio card to operate at 44KHz and 32 bit.

So, I learned that I can record with a mic and my computer. I think the next step is to borrow a friends good mic. If it records guitar well I will know that I just need a better mic.
 

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Thanks, bigbean!

I think the Focusrite Solo has more features than I need but the price is right, about $100, and it has great reviews for sound and build quality. With it and a decent mic, if the sound sucks I will know that I can't blame the gear.
 

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No. You can blame me!
Don't worry it's OK.
I'll be being blamed for three things before and four things afterwards on whatever day you pick.
:lol::lol::lol:
 

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Do you agree that the Solo model is all I need? If you do, I will order it tonight.

Here is the Solo: https://www.tcelectronic.com/Categories/Tcelectronic/Guitar/Tuners/POLYTUNE-CLIP/p/P0C81

Mic pre, mixer and converter, plus a guitar input on the other channel so you can record without the amp.
Just confirm it works with your computer, only an issue if you have an older computer.
In ten years the focusrite probably won't work with the newest computers, and a ten year old focusrite won't work with this years computers.
Not a big deal for 100 bucks.
 

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My Katana has USB output that works real well with Audacity. (I thought that USB port was just for programming the amp.) This elliminates the need for a mic and a converter. I've heard side by side comparisons of a Katana recorded through a mic, Line out, Headphones Out and USB out and they all sound similar and good enough for me. This way I don't have to finess mic placement or fuss with an analog to digital converter.

The output from the USB port is low so I need to crank up the amps volume, delete the ambient noise in Audacity, and then normalize. It sounds especially good when playing distorted but playing clean doesn't sound as good. Maybe a converter would help with that and maybe I will eventually get a converter but for the meantime I think I don't need one. Probably the weakest link is my playing. I didn't realized that I need to play more fluidly with fewer brain fart pauses.

For anyone else trying this, set it up your editing software so that the Katana is the "Primary" input, not Secondary. Use Primary if you want to include all of the amp effects like Reverb (Wet). Using Secondary will be "Dry" with no amp effects like you are plugging your guitar directly into your computer. Also, Line Out Air Feel set to Live or Blend seems to sound better than Rec.

Thanks for all of the help here. I learned a lot from this thread and hopefully others have too.
 
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Hi, I love to sing too. Friends said that I have a talent and I need to record covers. To make good songs, you need to use quality tools, right? I sing without instruments, just turn on the soundtrack and sing. As for me, it turns out great. The phonogram, of course, eliminates the need for expensive guitars, drums, and so on, but you still need to get a good microphone. You know, I have several options. 2 of them are in the store nearby. I live in a small town, so this factor must also be taken into account. Look, I am considering these models of wireless microphones: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010EOERU/?tag=tdpri-20, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0742H1BT2/?tag=tdpri-20, https://www.amazon.com/dp/&tag=tdpri-20 B0723CJG27. I am more inclined to the first, on this site they say that it is the best of the best https://bestazy.com/best-wireless-microphone/. I have no reason not to trust this article, as I have chosen a stunning space heater with the help of this resource. If no one answers me within 3 days, I will immediately buy a Shure SLX2 / SM58 Handheld Transmitter with SM58 Microphone, H5
 

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