Playing slow

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  1. ce24

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    So i was watching some Ipad clips of our last show And the one thing that stood out was that we have a tendency to play a Few bpm slow......makes all the difference in good energy and low energy songs. Do you gigging band member struggle with this.....?cheers
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    We had a drummer that would purposely set his click a few beats higher. It was great For keeping everyone awake. Including the band!!!
     
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    I actually have a problem with playing too fast, ahead of the beat. I have to make a conscious effort not to do that. As long as I've been playing, you think it would be second nature, but for me, sadly it is not.
     
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    Our drummer in the last band I was in had an inexpensive electronic metronome attached to his snare that was simply a red LED and a speed dial. He had the set list and BPM for each tune, and would set the metronome to the speed for each song.

    It worked really well and unless you knew what to look for, it was hard to tell he was using the metronome.
     
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    You need to find a bass player that plays behind the beat then you can be the next Rolling Stones. :):)
     
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    Most people have the other problem---playing tunes too fast. There's prolly apps out there that you can set for the bpms you want and have the drummer check it before counting off the troublesome tunes. Old story---we went in to do an album live and we all had a bit of a hangover. We took some of those energy vitamins and the whole album was a bit too fast.
     
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    I play all over the place, ahead and behind the beat, ...




    at times simultaneously...

    I march to the beat of a different drummer...

    I also play drums...
     
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    If it gets too fast it has no feel. Might sound tight but is just too fast so notes are closer together.

    Sometimes hard to find the right place so it feels right but doesn't drag. Faster is usually better for live music IMO.

    Can take a long time to find the groove and many never do.
     
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    Young and Holt laid down a groove...

    They were the rhythm section for Ramsey Lewis before they did this ...
     
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    That's a really encouraging sign - a drummer who is Not Threatened by, but willing to be Allied w/ a click-track.
    The option to "breathe" remains, but "102bpm" can stay 102 w/ a discreet helper.

    Peace - Deeve
     
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    THe cool thing was that it's not really a click; it was a visual reference to get us all started at the ideal tempo and from there it could speed up or slow down a little depending on what was happening onstage or on the dance floor.
     
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    I get it. Not audible - and visually shielded.
    But drummer retains ability to expand or contract as song or dance-floor dynamic calls for it.
    Cool.
     
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    Charlie Watts is the best I've ever seen ...

    He has a metronome in his head ...
     
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    I always tend to play the first couple of songs too fast~even at 68yrs old I must still get a bit of adrenaline at the start of a showo_O
    When our singer calls certain songs she will say, not too fast, or not too slow, then snap her fingers for the count. That always helps set the tempo.
    Another thing I have noticed is on fast tunes it is easy for the band to speed up during solos, something I watch out for:rolleyes:
     
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    Been there, done that--on two recordings. Adrenaline gets the better of you, especially our drummer at live shows, and off you go. Some songs are so hard to sing if they are even a tad too fast.
     
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    I played with a drummer that had timing issues so he got a metronome. Didn't help. I taped his last gig with us and measured the bpm. He had a swing from too slow to too fast of up to 30 bpm in some songs. I called him up to fire him and he quit before I could. I had never played with anyone that couldn't even follow a metronome.
     
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    I wish my drummer had a clik! :mad: He refuses.
    I think we play some tunes too fast. But there are tunes, especially swampy stuff that I realize we play too slow really, although I like them that way. There other day I saw an ad for a watch like wrist band that was a metronome. Maybe he would wear that!
     
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    The opposite. It's way more common.
     
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    Hey clowns, it isn't always the drummer's fault. If a song starts out with guitar, bass, keys, they are setting the tempo for everyone else.

    If I found the starting instrument for a song was too slow and I started in on drums, I'd speed it up a bit to keep everyone moving. Can't stand when a song's tempo drags on!
     
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