pine body telecasters?

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  1. agogetr

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    i know fender is making pine body tel'es and other folks are selling pine bodies for teles, my question is how are they cutting the wood for these? are they plank body like from regular cut boards or are they quartesawn boards? is anyone doing pine necks? any disadvanteges to using pine? is old growth better?
    does it have to be specially cured? i,m really curious!
     
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  2. sothoth

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    I’ve played a pine partscaster and it sounded really nice. The wood was light but pretty stiff. If you tapped it with your finger it had a nice acoustic quality. Don’t know about the cut profile. It looked like it was a 3-piece body to me.

    I would personally not make a neck from pine unless it was old growth. And even then I’d be reluctant.

    Not sure how helpful this is. You might ask Stewmac about the wood they use on their knotty pine telecaster bodies as a reference point.
     
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    Oh, and I imagine the pine is reclaimed or kiln dried but I’m guessing there isn’t one answer... you’ll probably find variations on what people do.
     
  4. Mike Simpson

    Mike Simpson Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    All Pine bodies...

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    ^^^Fantastic guitars!

    I’ve only encountered one Pinecaster made by Fender, the 2012 Telebration version made of reclaimed pine. Very cool guitar. You might be able to locate the cut specs online somewhere. Never come across a second hand one for sale.
     
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    4F568B5B-06CC-4A6D-88B6-225660D0A339.jpeg Pine as a body has a wonderful tone. But to soft for making necks. This body is a +120 year old kitchen wall
     
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    Love me some pine. personally they're the only way to go. I have a Fat telecaster with an alder body and is heavy. Then a swamp ash esquire to go with it, probably about 5/6 pounds. For the examples I've heard of the body types and natural finish and grain wins me over every time.
     
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    I played an all Bowery (super old) pine Tele recently at the Northeast Guitar Expo. Cindy from Cindy Guitars was running the booth. She works with Rick Kelly who has been making all pine Teles for a very long time.

    The neck was all pine with no truss rod. Wide and thick but super comfortable and the relief in the neck was perfect. Played like butter.

    It also sounded fantastic. Not to mention the knockout artwork. I'm a fan.

    I never played a guitar with a pine neck before. Or a pine body for that matter. The pine neck was surprisingly comfortable.
     
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    thanks everyone. i wonder if you could bake the body for extra tone lol pine has a bit of sap i think correct curing would be needed
     
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    All Pine . Some reclaimed woods . Love working with it . Bigsby approved and holds on there fine . I use Lacquer and pine is softer wood and it’s gonna get wear and dings faster than Swamp Ash .
     
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    Arlo West pioneered these pinecasters and Keystone ( Wilde) pickups when Bill Lawrence was around. They sound great BUT NO knots in his. I grew up near a lumberyard where really good woods dried out and the carpenters there thought Pine was only good for house frames. They also told me to avoid any knots as they tend to rise despite age. Knots were frowned upon.
    If you want to see Old Piney see Youtube- Arlo West- Cowboy Song The End is Not in Sight. Great old sound from a pine guitar with those Keystone pickups.
     
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    Bill Kirchen plays a Tele with a pine body and pine neck, no truss rod. IIRC It’s a Rick Kelly. Don Mare pickups. When he plays it he sounds like Bill Kirchen.
     
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    I've made a few pine bodies over the years :). While old pine is touted as being better, the majority of my bodies were from flat sawn and really wide eastern white pine planks from the Catskill mountains. These are huge trees and a few of them were harvested by helicopter. Still it was green and kiln dried furniture grade lumber. Don't be fooled by the internet hype about old wood. They wouldn't be selling that stuff if it weren't for all the hype about bodies made from "new" wood.

    These bodies are really what got the pine craze going. Arlo West was a frequent poster here documenting his pine builds and posting videos. My PineMart bodies were elusive and in demand because I was selling them to another fellow who was marketing them until that ended and I started marketing them myself. When one desperate vendor was selling pine bodies on ebay for 29 dollars, I decided to hang it up.

    Many are owned by people right here on this forum. The only " old wood" bodies I made were two of them from some barn wood I procured off of ebay when my supply of "new" pine was used up.

    That old body, aka the " barncaster"….started that part of the craze.

    Since then, Many many boutique builders jumped on and off board. This includes Allparts, Fender, and Stewart MacDonald to name a few. I made mostly one piece bodies but a few 2-3 pc ones too. My first challenge guitar, the tidycatster, was from leftover strips of pine.

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    This was a challenge build called "pine-o-rama":

    Pine body, Pine neck with rosewood fretboard, pine pickguard, and pine pickup bobbin.


    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/barncaster-100-year-old-pine.57082/

    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/in-praise-of-pinemart.120024/


    The incompleted carved top pine LP body and neck. This had an ebony fretboard on it that I ended up removing. The guitar never got completed and I gave it to a friend of mine.

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    Arlo's bodies.... the barncaster with 2 ye olde nails, ol'piney and son of ol piney.


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    The Dalmore tele. This was the 3rd and final body from the Ol piney plank that Arlo loved so dearly. This was made with a trem rout. I had given the trem routed body to a friend of mine. He kept it in the box for a while and I suggested he sell it back to Arlo. This was finished and assembled by Ron.

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    birdseye pine topped pine body

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    An no pine thread is complete without the taipan tone guitar which you can see started the lesquire movement after its premier here.

    http://www.philtone.com/examples/taipantonetelejr.html


    Sad to say and do, I just cut into one of my last pine body planks to make a TV Console table..... my how times change.
     
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    I love Pine, Fir, Spruce. They make great light weight awesome sounding guitars.
    Pine was used for the first Proto's of Leo's.
    I love the really old stuff for guitars, todays construction variety doesn't cut it for me. Old Reclaimed stuff, nail holes, bug tracks, and all other signs of use. If you pair it with a light maple neck, IMHO, you get the most bang for your buck.
    I was lucky enough to find some 150 year old Pine rafters unused in my garage when we moved into our home 2 years ago. I know it's really old because I can barely make out the grain lines they are so tight.
     
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    Where's Ron Kirn? He should weigh in on this.....his "Barncasters" are pretty well known and respected. He could tell us any good and bad points.
     
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    Just finished putting this one together...loving it so far. Clearfork Designs body, mystery neck and GFS pickups and hardware.

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    Brad, looks sweet, how is the Guitar Fetish tail piece?
     
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    Don't forget the Squier Classic Vibe Teles have pine bodies. Good sounding guitars. From the one I have and the ones I've played, I'd say there is no tone that I'd attribute to the pine itself. Like any solid body guitar, the individual chunk of wood matters more than the species. Play them in person to pick a good, lively one.

    The bodies are 3 or 4 pieces with the grain usually well-matched. Weight is often to the heavy side.
     
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    Solid and subtle. I haven't spent much time with Bigsbys, so I can't make a very good direct comparison. It's easy to string, stays in tune and gives a little wobble when I need it.
     
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    I believe Leo used pine on very early telecasters.
     
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