Pickup winding direction

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  1. Blaoskaak

    Blaoskaak TDPRI Member

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    Hi all,

    Currently i am busy winding my new pickups. But according this image i wound the pickups the wrong way.

    My neck pickup has hot on the right and ground on the left. I also winded the wrong direction

    My middle pickup the same problem.

    The bridge pickup haven't i wind yet. If i wind this pickup the same as my neck pickup. Would this be ok too? than i still have middle rwrp.

    The pickup image is my neck pickup.

    I also added my pickup winder for those who are interested. 20210328_095044.jpg





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  2. Wallaby

    Wallaby Friend of Leo's

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    I don't think it really matters as long as the electrical phase and magnet orientation are correct for what you are trying to accomplish. I think South-up Clockwise is conventional and allows different maker's pickups to be installed together, but I don't think that convention is followed 100% of the time.

    I have read but not confirmed myself that swapping coil start and finish from ground to hot does make a difference in tone, but that's not what you're describing, is it?
     
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    Blaoskaak TDPRI Member

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    No i didn't swap coil. I wounded my neck pickup

    Counter clockwise with hot on the right and ground on the left.

    Middle pickup i wounded clockwise with hot on the left and ground on the right.

    Bridge pickup isn't wind yet.

    I also haven't magnetize the pickups yet.
     
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    This is how i did it. Got the pictures from the stewmac website.

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    This is how i did the neck and planning to do the bridge.

    Middle pickup i did the opposite.

    Edit: well i found out i wound the pickups the right direction. Didn't thought about that the wire is clockwise direction if you wind it counter clockwise.

    The only thing now is the hot and ground direction. The image i attacheted in my begin post is diffrent from the image from stewmac.

    Another edit: topic can be closed. I find out that i only soldered the wrong cable on the wrong place. Now i am thinking about it i feel very stupid for creating this topic.

    Thanks anyways!
     
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    Normally I wind both pickups in the same direction and use the stewmac picture as a guide. Just solder your wires onto the hot and grounds respectively to where you started and ended.

    Black goes to the start end and whatever you do, don't break the wire off at the start end. I normally have about 10 winds available in case that happens on the edge of the pickup.


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    Thanks for the tip! I do have another question tho. Maybe you can help me.

    I didn't know my pole pieces are already magnetized. So i installed everything and now some are nort and some are south. Can i re magnetize this without a problem? And what happens to the magnetize strenght?

    My pole pieces are alnico 2.
     
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    Yes. Set up two neo magnets in a vise. I have the stewmac ones. I put tape over them to protect them. I usually take 10 -12 swipes in the same direction and that usually gets it done. I don't have a meter to check the gauss. The neo magnets are pretty strong...so hang on tight and don't slam your fingers with them.


    How To Use Guitar Repair Magnets | stewmac.com


    Here are some of my adventures in pickup making

    Let's make a pickup! | Telecaster Guitar Forum (tdpri.com)


    PenPal pen lathe / pickup winder build | Telecaster Guitar Forum (tdpri.com)
     
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    Thanks alot! I live in the Netherlands, when i buy something from stewmac i have to pay clarence cost. Can you tell me the dimensions from the magnets? Then i buy it somewhere else.

    Thanks for your topics. Gonna read them through!
     
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    You can probably see them on their website...I think they are 1" diameter.
     
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    yes i did see it, but it doesn't say what the thickness is.
     
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    They are probably 1/8-3/16" thick.
     
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    Great! Thanks alot!
     
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    I'm not a pickup maker, but thulis Im fairly confident of:

    You can wind them all the same way, either way or different ways. What's fundamental in creating rwrp is the magnetic polarity, as seen at the top face. Looked at this way, a hum-cancelling pair will always have a north and a south coil, and you can swap the leads to get them soundjng in phase as needed.

    Of course, there may also be conventions of common practise about how its done, but there are other ways it can work.
     
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    there's a pair of strong magnets in pc hard drives, got an old dead one?

    rip the magnets out of that, I've heard of people using them to charge pu magnets
     
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    All that matters with coil wire winding direction and top magnetic polarity is whether or not a pair of Fender "Tele" pickups is required to be "1950 vintage correct", where both pickups are wound in the same direction and both have the same top magnetic polarity, or if a noiseless parallel (or even series) humbucking mode is require when both are selected, which requires one of the two pickups be wound in reverse direction to the other pickup, and have a different top polarity.

    In of itself, for any single pickup guitar, the coil wire wind direction and top magnetic polarity are meaningless.

    To boot, there are no industry "standards" for passive pickup coil wire wind direction or top magnetic polarity.
     
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    Great company i get my magnets from here
    https://www.cermagmagnets.co.uk/guitar-pickup-magnets-11-c.asp
     
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    Perhaps winding them so the ground connected windings are on the outside could cut down on capacitivly induced hum a bit.
     
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    Great point. Just swapping leads to start and finish does "git er done", but it's not exactly the same as winding opposite and keeping the same electrical orientation to the coil start and finish.

    What the differences are quantitatively might be a research project for someone :)

     
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    But then it can pick up capacitively induced hum from the poles, because they aren't grounded. When you have proximity shielding like that, it's sufficient that any part of the device be grounded. There is a difference but it's barely noticeable. It's a different situation from a humbucker, where the poles themselves are actually grounded.
     
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    This is real. I've seen "RWRP" pickups that would hum when you touched the pole pieces.
     
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