Pickup ID/confirmation help

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  1. rojo412

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    I was offered this set of pickups from a 2009 Fender Tele (EDIT: 2003 is the guitar, pictured below). It's a US made one (would that be "American Standard?"), but I was kinda thrown off by the wire colors:

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    I do know that Fender was pretty good at doing the yellow and white for + leads, but I never saw blue for the grounds. Also, that cloth/wax wrap on the bridge looked odd. I typically saw that with vintage reissue stuff, but those would tend to have cloth push-back wiring.

    Could anyone tell me what model pickup these may be called?
    And is there a chance that these are not the stock pickups from that guitar?

    The seller is a good friend of mine, but he's doing the work on the guitar for someone else. Before I pull the trigger, I'd like to know more about these.

    As usual, any and all help is very much appreciated.
     
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    That definitely looks about right! Thank you for that.
    I've also been digging and finding some of the pickups from the Highway One series that match the description as well. Seems like a similar era, too.

    I'm gonna take a risk on them, what the hey?
     
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    Classic Series 50-60 MIM pickup.

    A bad resource that link, American Tele leads were black and white.

    Yes, those pups were also in the H1 but prior to 2006.
     
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    The Classics do match the wiring colors, from what I can see. But on quite a few of them that I was able to see, the pole pieces on that series were staggered heights in the bridge. This one looks to be flat poles.
    Dang it, Fender... why you gotta make life so confusing?!?! :D
     
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    I dug around on the Service Diagrams for all of the guitars mentioned and got some numbers.

    - The HWY1 series used 0072997000 (neck) and 0072998000 (bridge)
    Screen Shot 2021-10-27 at 9.56.57 AM.png Screen Shot 2021-10-27 at 9.57.26 AM.png

    - Classic 50s used 0053678000 (n) and 0055216000 (b)
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    Very similar!

    - Classic 60s used the same neck but 0053676000 for the bridge. It looks similar, but has the staggered poles.
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    - The American and/or American Standard upgrade of 08 lists the numbers as 0050890000 (n) and 0050888000 (b):
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    Kinda hard to tell on the bridge if it has the white cloth, as this is the only pic I could find. But the wiring on the neck is indeed black, so I definitely don't think it's a set from the American (Standard) from that era.

    Seems like this set could be from any number of guitars either MIA or MIM, but it's certain that the pickups themselves would have been MIM, no matter which they are.
     
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    Oh, and I just found out the guitar (or at least, the neck) is a 2003. Not sure exactly what model, but here's some pics:

    123_1 copy.jpeg 123_1 (1) copy.jpeg 123_1 (2) copy.jpeg 123_1 (3).jpeg

    I don't know if they did HWY1 in burst, but I do know that the neck plate would have markings if it were the American (Standard).
    Then again, this could be a partscaster and I wouldn't know from what I'm seeing here.
     
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    That burst looks off to me, but I'm sure someone with HWY1 knowledge will be here soon.
     
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    I know, right? Looks like a 2 color burst, which was pretty uncommon for most of the Fender stuff from that era.
     
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    My ‘50s Classic Tele came with some similar with flat polepieces, and my ‘69 Thinline Tele (both reissues) came with some similar but with staggered polepieces. Neither had baseplates. Numbers were handwritten on the bottom with something like a white marker I think. I had drilled out three holes on a copper baseplate to fit them around the bottom plastic screw bosses and glued them on to one.
     
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    That's a Highway 1 Texas Tele. They were part of the original hwy1 series.
     
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    Looks like you found your answer on the pickups? Heck.... if the price is right on em, I'd buy em and try em out ;) Why not? :cool:
     
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    It may very well be, though I did check the numbers for that (0063081000 and 0063082000) and the wire leads appear black for those parts.

    Of course, if Fender made an earlier version and the "service diagram" here is for a later one, that wouldn't shock me in the slightest.

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    They still ist it as 3 color burst though. Again, could have been a later update thing. Or... this guy has a partscaster and hasn't told me or doesn't know.

    Gonna try them anyway, just want to make sure if I don't love them, I know what I'm selling, ya dig?
     
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    Actually (and we seem to be veering off into other directions here, but it's fun!), I'm looking at HWY1 teles and the string tree tends to be a roller unit, mounted below the A tuner.

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    This one has a disc tree, mounted under the G tuner.

    EDIT: It may be leaning more towards the Texas, as @low_fidelity2100 said.
    - String tree and vintage tuners are correct for this model.
    - Not sure why the burst is like it is, but again, could be a replaced body. The neck is Texas-like though.
    - American Standards and HWY1s have sealed tuners and that roller tree, typically.

    EDIT AGAIN: I found the sale thread that the guy bought it from and it's listed as a Texas Highway One. Spot on!
     
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    Got em.

    7.33k neck, 6.03k bridge for DCRs.

    With those numbers, it sounds like these pickups were not the originals from the Texas HWY1. Looking at those part numbers, you'd find higher DCR readings.
    The neck seems to jive with similar, basic HWY1 readings from what I can find. Apparently, quite a few would read about the same there.
    The bridge relates closer to the 50's style/Esquire pickups when it comes to the resistance.

    I'll test them out, A/B with stock and see what happens. Worst case, he said he'll take them back, but any of this style I've seen seems "in demand," so I'm not too worried about being stuck with anything.
     
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    The hand written 53678 on the neck pickup is the Fender part number shorthand used in production.
    This part (0053678000) was used on the Mexican Classic Series and the original Highway 1.

    The Hwy 1 Texas pickups were hot versions of the pickups. Also used on the first version of the American Special up to 2013 when they were replaced by CS Texas Specials.

    PICKUP ASSY HWY1 TX TELE LEAD (Fender part # 0063082000)
    North Pole up, Copper plate on bottom, counter clockwise wind, 15,000 turns, #43 Polysol wire
    Average DCR: 16-18K
    Alnico V

    PICKUP ASSY HWY1 TX TELE NK (Fender part # 0063081000)
    North Pole up, counter clockwise wind, 10,000 turns, #43 Enamel wire
    Average DCR: 7.8-8K
    Alnico V

    Classic Series 60s set listed by Stratosphere a few years ago
    Fender_Classic_60s_pickups_&_wiring.jpg
     
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    So THAT'S what the painted numbers mean! Wow, mind = blown! I never knew that, but it makes so much sense. Thank you, that helps immensely. (Well, assuming it's legible or intact on some of these pickups.)

    @Tuxedo Poly Where can I find the pickup specs like what you listed there?
     
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