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Discussion in 'Vintage Tele Discussion Forum (pre-1974)' started by Robmac, Feb 18, 2021.
Pictures of the humbucker:
Pictures of the humbucker, part two:
There is definately the imprint of a paf or pat sticker on the back
The ugly duck might have another surprise, lol.
I am inclined to think so, but would really like consensus from the folks here.
It's a Pre-T or PAF.
Impossible to say without the sticker as in the early 60's the only thing that changed between the two pickups was....the sticker.
If you're going to score a player grade Tele that's the baddest mod around, PAFs in a Tele neck are sublime.
IMO, this guitar is a monster and deserves restoring, the body really wouldn't be that difficult. Strip. Get some good wood, outline your missing parts, glue, sand, wait for a while, lightly sand/fill a little more and send it to MJT. It was something like $300-$400 to refin the body on my '72.
edit. If you're careful enough to loosen the base screws a hair and pull the magnet you could measure it. If it's 2.5" (and never been changed out, lol) it's a decent probability of a late 50's PAF, if it's shorter (down to 2.3") it's possibly a '60 or '61 or later. But, that's not an absolute.
Thanks very much for the info!
I feel very lucky coming across the guitar, it's been fun as well to investigate and explore, and share it here.
These are the scores vintage player grade nuts dream of, and I am a card carrying member of that club but have never come close to something like this in terms of value. Huge find.
I need to move somewhere that's not Nashville as every dumpster in this town was picked decades ago.
Deytookerjaabs, it used to be (I guess way back in the day), one could find a vintage guitar in varying states in and around NYC area.
Then not so much in the city, but at tag sales, flea markets and second hand/"antique"/ and consignment shops in and around the Hudson Valley.
Still are, but much fewer and farther between.
(If only I had a bigger bank account and more wisdom in my teens and 20's, lmao, but that is the nature of a teen/early 20's...)
On the pickup, just to clarify...
It's pre-'65, no matter what.
You can tell by the base of those bobbin screws, sometimes the tops of the screw wears off but the base of the screw is the indicator, it's clearly nickel plated and in '65 they all went chrome with the plating. There are still many chrome Pre-T pickups, but yours is at the very least assembled for a guitar '64 or earlier.
Even without the sticker you're probably looking at base price of $1000 or so on that pickup with the possibility of it being an even earlier build. If it was a squier with just this pickup it'd be a huge score, lol.
Wow, I am floored. Thank you for the information.
It is fugly but an absolute bargain for $30
It is a super cool guitar. As-is, as far as I am concerned!
Netgear69 and Antoon, pretty super cool and def fuuugly, lol.
Sorry I did not read most of the posts here. But an observation or two. 1967 guitar, moded when? 67? The high times gives us a thought. But, in 67 why would someone mod a guitar like that, it was not popular and few people even knew to do it. In 67 LP's were not too popular. The big question is when was it modded? If in 67?, yes there was really no choice, it would be PAF. The guitar will always be worth more in parts, cause the butchering took place. Sure you can restore it. Luthiers have done wonder mint save and recreations. But, it would never be the value of an unmolested guitar. Put it together & play it. It is so Homestyle, it looks like a cartoon guitar. But, it might be an awesome player? Perhaps you have determined the answer to that already?
No doubt a ridiculously great find.
Looks like a cartoon guitar, lmao, yep!
It has been refinished a few times, as well as routes n beltsanding...my best educated guess is treated rough in mid 70's (?) With prob a lil more abuse 80's-2000 (?)
I don't think any of it is real Fender, except for the bridge pickup assembly and the control plate. The body "could" be but who knows?
Shouldn't a real Fender maple neck have black dots?
Wall hanger, maybe, or firewood?
If the neck can be proven to be real Fender I would personally get a new body and restore it as best that I could, and play it.
The body has all the proper little dowel fills in it, control route, etc. The neck has the proper veneer maple construction & heel stamp as well.
It's just a highly modified/hacked guitar, I've seen many over the years.
Thank you for the input.
Perhaps it's worthwhile to go through the complete thread.
I'd either buy a new body and stash the old one for chuckles, or sell all the sellable parts for one heck of a profit. Might even consider going for a super cheap Guitarfetish body and see if I could get all on for less than $100. But again, man I'd be tempted to sell parts and pocket $$$.