ping-ping-clicka
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"Great, another place to lose more picks." Laughed out loud when I read this, you made the funny ++Good
Physics: Large Hadron Collider suggests a new particle carrying a fifth force of nature.
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My microwave oven is a 5th force of nature I think.... 
Umami
Thanks for the post. The evolution of particle physics over the past 100+ years is fascinating stuff.
boxocrap
Tele-Afflicted
i am 100% in favor of scientific research into the unknown..i am also 100% in favor of keeping it out of the control of military and governments
Manual Slim
Friend of Leo's
It's giving you something to rail against here and the value of that can't be overstated.
rze99
Doctor of Teleocity
More here and context
www.sciencealert.com
Physicists May Have Discovered 'New Force of Nature' in LHC Experiment
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) sparked worldwide excitement in March as particle physicists reported tantalizing evidence for new physics – potentially a new force of nature.
JL_LI
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Edited to correct a factual error. The quark under discussion is the bottom or “beauty” quark.
Ah, the beauty of physics and the way it’s sold to get more funding. First the data. There is 5 sigma confidence that the decay of the bottom quark favors electrons over muons when the standard model predicts an even distribution. There is the highest level of confidence in the data. The open question is why. Is there a fifth force? No doubt but is it responsible for this phenomenon? Is our understanding of the weak force incomplete? Probably? Possibly? Are there interactions with neighboring particles not being fully considered? 5 sigma confidence says probably not. Is this an indication of an interaction with dark matter? If yes, why only beauty quarks?
The data actually raises more questions than it answers. That’s how science works. None of this affects our understanding of the world around us on the scale we experience on a daily basis. Why should we care. Read through the thread. Some of us obviously don’t. Living in the world of science and engineering, I can only say nobody ever did better knowing less. I think the same can be said for humanity as a whole.
In the days of Newton, science was referred to as natural philosophy. Think about that for a moment. Einstein developed his theories of relativity and special relativity as thought experiments. The math was added in the process of tying all of it together and giving the theories predictive power. Let the thought experiments begin. Understanding the decay of beauty will certainly be more interesting than watching Jennifer Aniston age.
Ah, the beauty of physics and the way it’s sold to get more funding. First the data. There is 5 sigma confidence that the decay of the bottom quark favors electrons over muons when the standard model predicts an even distribution. There is the highest level of confidence in the data. The open question is why. Is there a fifth force? No doubt but is it responsible for this phenomenon? Is our understanding of the weak force incomplete? Probably? Possibly? Are there interactions with neighboring particles not being fully considered? 5 sigma confidence says probably not. Is this an indication of an interaction with dark matter? If yes, why only beauty quarks?
The data actually raises more questions than it answers. That’s how science works. None of this affects our understanding of the world around us on the scale we experience on a daily basis. Why should we care. Read through the thread. Some of us obviously don’t. Living in the world of science and engineering, I can only say nobody ever did better knowing less. I think the same can be said for humanity as a whole.
In the days of Newton, science was referred to as natural philosophy. Think about that for a moment. Einstein developed his theories of relativity and special relativity as thought experiments. The math was added in the process of tying all of it together and giving the theories predictive power. Let the thought experiments begin. Understanding the decay of beauty will certainly be more interesting than watching Jennifer Aniston age.
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boxocrap
Tele-Afflicted
well said
I mean scientific problems.... not human problems...
guitar_paul1
Tele-Afflicted
Does anyone know of a reference to where Dr Patel originally published this? Seems a little excitedly early in the usual academic cycle.
On which part, dark matter, quarks and black holes, or reincarnation? I've read up on both for years and found no more evidence for one over the other. Then again, I am still fascinated at how a paper cone and a magnet can move air to make sounds like guitars, drums, and people...all at the same time! And I'm still suspicious of microwave ovens, never mind 5G. Cell phones are pure evil. So there's that.
This is what life is like if 1) you have tenure; and 2) you travel around the world on grants and fellowships.
Willie Johnson
Friend of Leo's
Cool ranch.
dukewellington
Tele-Meister
Email him!
guitar_paul1
Tele-Afflicted
Good idea. I think I will.
On second thought (and before I made a fool of myself) I went to his website, where he has premiminary information on his findings:
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When my father was born in 1922, the neutron had yet to be “ discovered.
We have come a long way.
We have come a long way.
Manual Slim
Friend of Leo's
Scientists and their findings are pure bunk! Now excuse me while I post about it online while listening to music through a speaker.
NBS2005
TDPRI Member
New Scientist is readily available on the Libby app from local libraries (my Hamilton ON library has it) if you want to read the full article.
BUG80
Tele-Meister
Thanks for sharing. Physics is cool. But I am a physicist so I may be a bit biased.
In case this is the GAS force I am curious if it obeys Schrödinger's superposition paradox: when there is a new piece of gear available, you'll never know whether you'd like it or not until you buy it.
In case this is the GAS force I am curious if it obeys Schrödinger's superposition paradox: when there is a new piece of gear available, you'll never know whether you'd like it or not until you buy it.
