Pentatonic Scales within Modes

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  1. kbold

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    Below is a chart showing where the major and minor pentatonic scales start in the standard diatonic scales.

    Hope you find it helpful.
     

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    Very helpful -- thanks!
     
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    I'll hopefully upload a picture later. Basically this is the Key of C in the Circle of 5ths:

    B E A D G C F

    I wrote it in this order because it follows the primary direction of motion (might be easier to picture this as clockwise).

    Remove the first and last notes and you have the pentatonic of the key. Leaving those end notes off removes the half steps from the key.

    The first chord (B) is half diminished, the next 3 (E A D) are the minors, and the last 3 (G C F) are the majors. The center major C is the name of the major key. The center minor A is the name of the minor key.

    There are 2 other pentatonics possible in this key. Leaving off the B and E gives you the F major/D minor pent, and leaving off the C and F gives you the G major/E minor pent.

    Hope this is useful.
     
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    Thanks! that's very simple and helpful.



    BTW I printed this diagram in my workplace printer, now everyone thinks I'm following a cult :D
     
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    Here's how the actual patterns compare:

    Pent vs minor Modes.jpg
    Pent vs Major Modes.jpg

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    each of those mode fingerings has 3 pentatonic scales in it.
     
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    Refer back to my original diagram: each mode has 6 pentatonic scales within it (3 major and 3 minor).
    The idea of the diagram was to show you where they were in each mode.
     
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    each of the diatonic modes contains 3 pentatonic scales. each pentatonic scale has 5 notes, therefore it has 5 possible tone centers, or roots. the major and minor tone centers (the most commonly used), which, out of these pentatonics, give each of the 3 major and 3 minor triads contained in each key, are 2 of those 5.
     
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    A nice application is playing another minor pentatonic scale that fits in the key of the song. For example when you have a song in the key of C/Am. Then it is logical to use the minor pentatonic scale of A especially when an Am chord is played.

    But you can also use the minor pentatonic scale of E and D cause these scales also fit in the key of C/Am. So when a Am chord is played you can play a pentatonic lick using the minor pentatonic scale of E with the A note as the prominent note.
     
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    Plus, over the dominant chord (E7 in the key of A minor or A major), you sprinkle in some tension and use notes from the altered scale. A pentatonic example is the G minor pentatonic scale over E7 (with the relationship of the note to E7 as a comment)

    G (b3) Bb (b5) C (#5) D (b7) F (b9)

    Is this a Larry Carlton thing? In any case, it's an easy introduction to the altered sound.
     
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    here's my suggestion - learn Brecker's solo in here note for note :)



    pay particular attention to 12:09 where he plays an A major pentatonic over the G minor procession of the song. He sits on the Db first - the b5, then descends. That one really blew my mind; it has the (major 3) b5, natural 6, maj7 and 9 of the key.

    Earlier in the solo he uses an Ab major which amounts to the b9, b3, 4, b6 (or #5) and b7, which is more acceptable in jazz.

    I guess the real trick here is to know how EVERY scale sounds over EVERY chord. I can't say I've accomplished that yet, myself.
     
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  13. rough eye

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    hey look what i found:

     
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    Aside. Jen Larson has lots great videos. it's well worth checking out his YouTube videos.
     
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