Passive, cut-only mid control in FX loop?

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Bit of background: Several years ago, I built a Ceriatone DC-30 (or "Dizzy 30") from a kit. It's ostensibly a clone of a Matchless DC-30: 2 channels (12AX7 in Ch. 1 and an EF86 in Ch. 2), four el-84s running Class A, approx. 30 watts plus a half-power switch. Channel 1 sounds absolutely fantastic (similar to a Vox Top Boost channel). The EF86 side (Channel 2, high gain) has never sounded right. It's SUPER muddy, and the 6-position Tone knob does very little. Only other "tone control" is the Cut knob, but that doesn't fix the issue either. So I've only used Ch. 1 for the past 10 years or so...until a few weeks ago. I borrowed a JHS Haunting Mids pedal from a friend. On a whim, I plugged it into the FX loop of the EF86 channel (each channel has its own FX loop). Within 30-45 seconds of turning knobs on the pedal, the EF86 channel finally sounded the way I'd imagined: rich, complex, glorious, high-gain goodness! And it sounds great with any guitar I plug in.

My question: Is it possible to build a passive, cut-only mid control that would sit in the FX loop of the EF86 channel? I don't want another pedal that needs a battery or other power supply. The settings (that I'd like to replicate) on the Haunting Mids are: Volume at 2 o'clock, Mids at 9 o'clock, Sweep at 9 o'clock, toggle switch at "Hi." I'm guessing what I need to do is take off the back of the pedal, measure the resistance/value of the pots at those positions, then create a circuit using fixed-value resistors instead of pots. I intend for the mid-cut circuit to be "always on," so I shouldn't need a volume pot. Or any pots, really...just a fixed, mid-cut circuit in a small metal box that sits in the FX loop. Maybe "mid-filter" is a better way to describe it?

Is this a good idea/feasible? The FX loop on this channel is like a "Insert" jack on a mic-preamp: It's a "stereo" (TRS) jack that normally requires a "Y" cable, but the box I'm considering building could possibly also use a single stereo jack, thereby allowing a single TRS cable to handle both "send" and "return."
 

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It would be more useful if you could determine the filter response either by sending a bunch of sine waves through the pedal and measuring the voltage out and producing a graph or using some FFT software and get plot that way. Then use the response to design a passive filter using the online Tone Stack Calculator.
 

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If it were my amp, I'd be looking at swapping the values of resistors and capacitors connected to that 6-position tone switch, especially if it makes such a minimal difference as currently configured.

I'm not sure the JHS pedal could be redesigned as a passive filter for this application (volume at 2 o'clock, meaning roughly 70% of max?). But I've certainly been wrong before.
 

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As above, the first thing that came in my mind was to add a Fender or Marshall type tonestack in the loop.
 

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The passive FX loop is designed with the idea that what you plug it into comes back at the same (approximate) level. A huge loss from a passive Fender/Marshall tone stack will need gain to bring the level back up, and may kill the vibe of the amp. that's why an active box is usually the correct answer; same level in, same level out.

If you want to hard wire a simple cut circuit into your amplifier, probably on the Return jack, try a Framus mid cut, or the mid cut Matchless uses on their Cheiftain.

Edit: just re-read the OP and second a recommendation to put a little time figuring out the EF-86 circuit in you amp. Get it working.
 
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My question: Is it possible to build a passive, cut-only mid control that would sit in the FX loop of the EF86 channel?
You might wanna try reducing the bypass capacitor on your EF86 cathode from 25uf to 2.2uf or 1uf.

Its probably the cheapest and easiest test you can do.
 

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Might be possible but building and tuning take time and passive QE function attenuating frequencies ?

EQ pedals should start about $50 and allow better tuning.
 




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