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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Moriarty, Jan 24, 2020.
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The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.
Good decision, I think, as long as you can get an acceptable new job. In the mean time, maybe just keep your head down a bit, no fun getting hammered LOL.
And here I was reading it quite differently.
Moving up the engineering ladder in my career, I took the promotion into management as part of the natural evolution. All of a sudden, instead of engineering problems, I had to deal with people problems. I was not educated to do that. Approaching and developing technical problems was fun, challenging and exciting. Fixing human problems was none of those. Well, challenging, but almost impossible for me. Plus, kissing up to the higher mucky mucks went against my integrity and honesty. Personalities are personal and I wasn't going to be able to change people in my lifetime. Yup, I walked away from a lucrative management position and moved on to a very exciting extension of my career as a ... yup, an engineer. Never looked back. No regrets whatsoever.
Do what you love to do, not what society thinks you should do. That not only pertains to your job and career, but life in general.
I wish you the best. After a career in the military I can empathize with you. I really only stayed in after a while for the job certainly not the money. However, getting out of that was not an option. Talk about feeling trapped. There are some things I miss though. You meet people from all over and fortunately your bosses change every few years due to rotation. Whatever leap of faith you take we are all here with you in spirit. You have options.
I’m on the other side of the “moving up” decision. After 5 years in management, I was burned out and frustrated. I didn’t get to do work I liked. I was doing BS that was frustrating and I had a terrible case of buyers remorse. So I applied for my old job before the promotion to management. I took a pay and prestige cut. I have been happy ever since I went DOWN the ladder.
You can’t eat prestige.
Last year I got a new job at my company that was a significant pay bump. It was a lot more stress, required more responsibility, and more hours. Very competitive and high strung. I hated it. The money was not worth my happiness.
Thankfully, I was able to get my old job back at the company. I put so much emphasis on trying to climb the corporate ladder but I really do like the job I have, I was just trying to keep reaching.
Not getting the gig isn’t always the worst thing. It’s good to put yourself out there, but also take stock of what you have and what you really want.
Also, realize that sometimes working in many industries you’re going to have to fall in line. If that’s not for you and you’re outwardly vocal and it rubs people the wrong way, you may have to find a more suitable job path.
I’ve been in my current job for 4-years and it’s the best job I’ve ever had.
I’m regarded as the global specialist in my field and my name is known at the highest level in the $1.8bn 4,800 employee company. A friend of mine leaked some info to me that I’m regarded as a risk to the company - if I left as it would leave the company with a big specialist hole to fill! That’s good!
I’m now on my 5th manager and was asked if I was going to apply for the Director’s role to whom I report. I politely declined explaining that out of the five managers I’d had since I joined, three were no longer in the company. In that time there has been only one specialist: me!
Why on earth would I want to move into management with that churn rate?
All I need from a manger is to approve my travel, approve my leave and sign off my expenses. What I do and when I do it is up to me.
Management? Been there. Done it. No thanks!
If I can flex a little ... I can keep my mouth shut at work. It's not who I am, but i can change. It's just work, after all.
I agree that management is no promotion, been there, done that, wore the necktie.
Move along if you're able, but be careful going into that next job.
Another thing to consider when you're passed over for promotion:
If there is one position and let's say, three people are being considered for it...maybe all three are qualified to do the job, but in theory, the one chosen should be the "Most Qualified".
And our egos don't always let us admit the truth to ourselves.
A few years ago, I applied for a move up into management. Not because I wanted it, but because I worried that if there was no competition, the position would be filled by default by someone I thought was not competent. I was not chosen, and that person got the job. It was a difficult couple of years, because my manager obviously knew I had been in competition for the job, and was as incompetent as I suspected. However, I am still in my position, and that manager is not.
Good luck in whatever position you find yourself. We can never know whether our choices are good ones until enough time has passed. I’m not happy in my job, but my job is what got me to the place I want to live. For now, it will do. But my eyes are open.
awesome man...go somewhere that wants you
im in the same spot...im looking and interviewing
Take my advice with a grain of salt, but think about finding a career that can't be automated out of existence by artificial intelligence innovations. Most people don't realize it yet, but 50% of all jobs (white collar mostly) are going to be automated out of existence in about the next 15 or so years. I don't think they'll be replaced either. Captains of industry will tell American workers that new jobs will replace the old ones, but there won't be replacements. You might as well start career planning around that reality now, if you can. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it. The following documentary discusses this economic issue coming our way. It's actually already here.
Been there before somewhere down the road I looked back and realized that I wasn't really willing to take a look at what "they" were searching for vs what I had to offer or was willing to give and another thing hired for certain skills and talent but never was asked to be the company's Angel of Reality.
I did eventually do my own thing and was successful at it did really well but now I was management and the one that has to produce and quite honestly learned some things with my clients,which were my bread and butter,didn't always need to hear my opinion.
Best to keep tongue inside mouth, unless they assume the position.
You sound a lot like me except I had the chance and option of retiring. 29 years 2 months and 26 days! Thank God it's over! Life is good.......now....
Sort of similar story, I was the corporate telecoms manage of a major multi national, they created an architecture group and I was seconded to it and my team then answered to the next up the ladder, all good I had a ball freewheeling and designing solutions for today and the future.
Once all the corporate amalgamations ( we took over a few very large international insurance companies ) were complete the team was dissolved.
Instead of reverting to my role I had to apply for it and lost it to one of my team who I got along with but was technically incompetent.
New manager created waves ( picked on another very capable team member who had chronic depression, I was counseling and mentoring him ) so once he left I too resigned.
As a result of no deep technical knowledge the team was rudderless and was dissolved, the roles outsourced and the one who became my manager was put back on the phones on the helpdesk .
I moved on to a much higher paid position with a carrier in a much happier environment.
Win win and feck them, I've been retired for coming up 6 years and didn't regret that decision for a moment.
Sliding doors and all that, move on and up
Point. No Planet Stepford for me.
Management isn't very rock n' roll, so to speak.