Thanks, and sorry I missed your photo in the 2nd post. I like to refer to them as couch sitters since I don't have a parlor but do have a couch (davenport?).Being from Pennsylvania I have a fondness for Martin's, the state most are made in.. A little salty in price but life is short. And you can argue, but for me nothing rings like a good Martin in any size. Here are my 12 fretters: '23 0-18, 2012 0-18VS, 2016 00-17S And here are my 14 fretters: '40 R-18, '51 0-18, 2012 0-15M Can you tell I sit a lot?