PA System To Attract Bands

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  1. chris m.

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    Long narrow spaces can be really tricky. I gigged in a place like your pics and it was super tough.
     
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    I had that same thought, and the drunks go up and down the stairs behind the band. Probably should station a first aide kit and a spill kit at the bottom of the stairs.
     
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    Looks like we got some stage lighting. I didn’t see that when I was there for 5 minutes.
     
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    Yup. We've got an L1 and love it. We plug an eight channel mixer into it for vocals and guitar and we're good to go. (We also have a Behringer "Feedback Destroyer" that often works. It helps when we play a big room and have to crank it.)
     
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    One of our local casino lounges has a DB meter up opposite the band above the door with big LED red readout. Maybe 3" high numbers. The room length is perpendicular to the band, so the meter is close. Not sure anyone ever pays any attention to it. It was a big band the night I was there with horns etc. I thought they were quite loud but not that much on the meter. I wouldn't mind it, no more bs about "you're too loud" or etc. Watch the meter to get an idea.
    A band without guitar and cranked would probably not bother make people react much, but it would be back there in there heads bothering them. But when a sharp sound like lead guitar cuts though at even a much lesser volume, people complain.
    It's funny I monitor this all the time as the band manager (by default). The band can be loud as hell on stage and no complaints. We do a song with a strong guitar lead in it, even though the band isn't out of control on volume and when I ask the sound man, he says "that last one was loud".
    Most sound men dont understand the nuance of different songs: For instance, the guitar mix on a SRV song should be right up top and front. Totally different than the guitar mix on say a Commodores song with rhythm guitar/wah!
     
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    Nothing wrong with that long space. The people who want to be able to talk can sit further away. The dancers and listeners can sit close.
    Dont you love it when people who complain about volume come to the gig and sit directly in front of the bandstand 8 ft from the direct beam of the guitar and bass? :>)
     
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    I have the feedback destroyer, use it when my backs to concrete or brick.
     
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    I like the big DB meter. But management said bands will respond to volume control management or they won’t get to come back.
     
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    Reminds me of this clip.



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    Yeah, the problem is perceived volume. Without a meter it depends on the mood. It's like giving the band one free drink. But not monitoring how many.
    "That band last week did a great job with volume." (3 pc with standup bass no drums playing alt music)
    "Your band is way too loud" (AC/DC cover band)
    You cant effectively play AC/DC at Chet Atkins volume. A lot of this is the owner's hiring IME.
     
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    The problem we had with a particular narrow and long venue was these crazy standing waves that would set up and it would get all boomy. All of the
    bass frequencies from kick drum, floor tom, and bass, especially would bounce around and turn to mud. It didn't help that it was all hard
    surfaces everywhere. The good news was that it had a dance floor and people would get up and dance. It was probably a bit on the loud side
    for the dancers, but the mix was OK. But then the sound tailed off a lot towards the back-- but the sound that tailed off was the musical mids and highs-- while
    all that bass would echo in the back and still be loud. Loud and clear in the front, muffled and bassy/muddy in the back.

    I'm sure a good sound engineer could figure out a way to get it under control with
    things like smart speaker placement, tailored EQ, and other things. But the default setup in that space with the house P.A. created all kinds of problems.
    Some of it was also likely caused by the default monitor placement and sound bleed from the monitors and backline
    going back into mikes in a never-ending reinforcement cycle. Some of the modern feedback killing algorithms can really help with that as well.
     
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    That's a very large generalization. Most sound professionals I know, know music very well. I will make your onstage mix any way you want. I will listen to your suggestions as to how you feel foh should sound. I will make you sound the best I can. If you are smart you will have given me a CD or link to your current release ahead of time so I can prep. What I will not do is create an unbalanced mix to suit someones ego. At the bar band / regional touring level I hear blame placed quite often on a mixer where it is often a stage volume problem. If you are not communicating with the sound crew and LISTENING to what they say whatever comes out the speakers may not make anyone happy.
     
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    The sound booth had a note on the wall ”the bass is not as loud as it sounds” C088DEB8-3544-4EF0-9297-55ABD34653BA.jpeg F48FDACD-4D6E-4E82-A577-3E3EC49E0237.jpeg 53A15F57-7E0E-4B6B-96DE-30EA8A809228.jpeg
     
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    How about a crowd to attract bands I found this historical picture of the patio. In the past they have had 4-6 piece bands play on the patio.

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    Your venue looks pretty similar to a place here in Richmond, VA, called The Broadberry. Long and kinda narrow, no second floor. A lot of local and pro acts come through quite regularly. Below is a link with an equipment list, FOH, BOH, and lighting I believe. I've seen Southern Culture on the Skids, The Blasters, Rev. Horton Heat, Cody Jinks, Whitey Morgan play there. We did a charity concert a couple years ago with my band, and it was the best we've ever sounded, on stage and out front.

    https://www.thebroadberry.com/venue-info/

    It might be a decent reference for you, and they have a number if you'd like to call and talk shop or ask questions. You can check the schedule to see the acts coming through if need be.
     
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    Hey they have my fav mic Sennheiser e935...
    Yes looks like they have the equipment types I’d like to see. But our space will be a limiting factor.
     
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    It's pretty tight there, as well. The stage is centered with space on either edge and the monitor mixer is is on one side. The mains mixer is out about 15 to 20 feet against the wall on the left side (looking out from the stage). It's part of a cordoned off area, the VIP section. Hopefully it gives you some ideas. Like I said, you can always call and get some feedback.
     
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    Those adjustments on the back of powered speakers wont be so handy when you fly the mains up there 18 ft. Could put the power to the flying mains on a light switch.
     
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