P90's in a semi-hollow

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  1. Meteorman

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    You’re puttin the switch up in the LP position, right? If so, you might consider a shielded cable from switch to output. Rg-174 co-ax could work, or some shielded multiconductor
     
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    P90s in a thin line?... "It might just work" says Mr. J Lennon of Tittenhurst Park...
     
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    I have an Epiphone wildkat with stock P90s. Sounds Great! It's a semi hollow. I did have a casino coupe with P90s not so good, it was a hollow body. Limited as what you could play, had to be careful with the overdrive. Not the wildkat. Obviously not a metal guitar. P90s have their own sound and, well worth having. IMG_20200825_082845936.jpg
     
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    An ES 125 I wish I hadn't sold... Hollow body, played loud through a half-stack was like trying to control a wild horse... you could really feel it bucking... just great!

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    I had an Epi335 with P90s and it was dead quiet and sounded great. Eventually sold the guitar, but that had nothing to do woth the pickups.
     
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    I have two P90 semis -- an Italia Fiorano, and an Epi P93 Riviera. Neither is noisy. Both have metal pup covers, which helps with shielding. I've seen P93 reviews noting a loss in high end response and I noticed it too, but it could be due to cheap pups. Haven't heard it on the Fiorano, which has Wilkinson pups and is quite bright. If metal covers don't work and the pups are reverse wound, you can engage two and the noise stops. Using underwound P90s with 250k pots, as Reverend did with their USA line, also helps quiet operation.
     
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    Got an Epi a few years ago and it was instant Ted Nugent at any volume. Very susceptible to feedback unless you were at a 90 degree angle to the amp. Loaded it with a pair of Tyson Tone Labs Dogear P90 Set 53-Wraptail Low Wind, 1950’s with the short neck and regular bridge cover heights. What a difference!!! One of my faves.
     

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    If you get a pair of P-90s (or P-94s or other HB-sized) you could get a set that's reverse-wound/reverse polarity so that they hum-cancel in the middle position.

    I don't have a thinline Tele currently (though I have had a non-P-90 one in the past), but doubt you would have a feedback problem, as they are more solid than a maple-laminate guitar like an ES/Casino type that resonates more. I have a WildKat (which is a chambered solidbody) and there are no feedback issues. Even with my Casino, at fairly loud volumes (band level) and with a classic rock/'70s punk rock distortion, despite the Casino being fully hollow, the feedback is actually quite musical and manageable. In just about any guitar, even a slab, P-90's will have some noise.

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    In the early 70s I had a 330/stock P90s. When I activated my Fuzz Face the hollow guitar did its impression of a chain saw. It would try to jump out of my hands and goose walk across the stage.
    Humbuckers in a solid block 335 would not have done that, I guess.
     
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    Hey E5RSY...sweet playing bro...very melodic and not just scale heavy.
     
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    I own a 1966 ES-300 and it is a great sounding guitar but if you go for high volume the guitar will take off at about 400 hz.

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    If a P90 can be used in a fully hollow guitars (those mentioned above and (my favorite) the ES-295 played by Scotty Moore on some of Elvis' records) and can be used in a solid body, I can think of little reason why it could not be used in a semi-solid body. Essentially, several chambered Les Pauls are essentially semi-solid body guitars. In addition the Epiphone Sheraton was a a semi hollow body has offered with p90s (although most famous with mini-humbuckers). My answer would be yes. It has been done and can be done again.
     
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    Shield the control cavity
    Never shield the pickup cavity
     
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    I have P90s in the Modern Player Thinline in my avatar. They sound good. They are a little noisy and have a certain jagged sonic edge to them that doesn't suit me, but I may fix that with a set of Mojotone '56 Quiet Coils.
     
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    P90s sound fabulous but are prone to hum pickup because of the wide flat coil. You can minimise the hum problem by using grounded nickel silver covers and by setting the pickup as close to the strings as you can without causing any other problems. Or you can try the dead quite but very expensive Kinman 'noiseless' P90s.
     
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    I have P90's in a few guitars, including my thinline. Can't say I noticed much noise in any of them. Maybe It is just not happening, that I don't notice, or maybe the sheet of aluminium has something to do ith it?

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    As has been pointed out, single coil pickups hum. More gain makes it worse. A RWRP neck pickup gives you a quiet place you can retreat to when both are on and equal.
    I have a 339 with them; neck p'up is not RWRP, which was a surprise, but it is not a problem unless there is something (neon lights, etc.) to exacerbate it.
    It wasn't a semi hollow, but Carlos Santana made his early mark with an SG Special that probably didn't have any extra shielding. Or RWRP.
     
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    There's NO problem shielding pickup cavities *IF* the shielding is properly connected to a contiguous ground with the controls, control cavity, string ground etc. Vintage Fender pedal steels with their big, flat, Jazzmaster-style pickups are notorious for picking up stray signals unless shielding is added to the pickup cavity (and preferably the control cavity as well) and connected to string ground.

    ALL grounds must be connected. The problem players have simply shielding a pickup cavity is not understanding ground connections, just overlapping copper tape does not work unless the sections are soldered together or the adhesive is conductive driving a screw between two sections of tape can work temporarily, but eventually will fail as dissimilar metal corrosion occurs.

    And a "floating shield" in the pickup cavity (not connected to the rest of the ground system) is actually an antenna for every rfi signal from fluorescent bulbs, motors, AM radio.....

    Since the preceding was essentially off-topic, I'll add that Chuck Berry played primarily hollow and semi-hollow body P-90 guitars, switching to humbuckers later in his career.

    And a tech note regarding Epiphone Casino reissues - in most cases the pickups are horribly overwound; the treble cuts fine, but the mids are weak and lows muddy and tend to overload many amps with a "farty" sound. But is you have them rewound to early/mid-60's specs (which can be recognized by a DC resistance between 7-9k; stock pickups are usually well over 11k).

    This brings down the impedance (which varies depending on frequencies, clears up the overall tone, makes them more responsive to pick attack, boosts the midrange to a "normal" P-90 sound - and doesn't noticeably decrease the output. You can get that "John Lennon tone" that's completely missing from stock reissues.

    I had Jerry Sentell rewind a set on a Casino I had, and playing it head-to-head with a new one was like night and day. I ended up selling it for far more than I paid *including* the pickup rewinding!
     
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