Overrated Books?

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But Rand was just a bad writer. No saving that.
Beyond terrible at prose. She does a better (but still inadequate) job defending her hurr-durr positions in non-fiction, where she doesn't have flimsy inventions of situation propping up eight page monologues of utter tedium. The absolute definition of a dumb person's idea of a smart person or a poorly read person's idea of a great writer. Just grievance for dudes in their early 20s.
 

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Yeah, the politics offend me, but lots of books I love have politics that offend me. I never let politics stand in the way of a good yarn.

But Rand was just a bad writer. No saving that.

Exactly. The problem with discussing Rand's terrible writing is that her fans interpret any criticism of her writing as an attack on her philosophy. There are plenty of writers whose views I find appalling but whose writing I can appreciate -- H.P Lovecraft and Louis-Ferdinand Celine for example.
 

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Beyond terrible at prose. She does a better (but still inadequate) job defending her hurr-durr positions in non-fiction, where she doesn't have flimsy inventions of situation propping up eight page monologues of utter tedium. The absolute definition of a dumb person's idea of a smart person or a poorly read person's idea of a great writer. Just grievance for dudes in their early 20s.

Stop selling Rand short, John Galt's speech in Atlas Shrugged is a full 60 pages!
 

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I had a friend who not only wouldn’t watch any movies or TV shows that didn’t agree with his politics, but wouldn’t watch any movies or TV shows with an actor who disagreed with his politics. And he called everyone else a snowflake.
Your choices online basically does this for you. Therefore you are fed news and articles that reinforce your opinions and biases. It is one of the reasons we are currently so split.
 

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I had a friend who not only wouldn’t watch any movies or TV shows that didn’t agree with his politics, but wouldn’t watch any movies or TV shows with an actor who disagreed with his politics. And he called everyone else a snowflake.

The funny thing is that, basically, he was carving out his own "safe space" :lol:
 

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Grew up in Northern California so in high school we did a full year of reading and analyzing John Steinbeck books. Hated them all then, hate them all now. Boring.
 

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The most overrated book ever is shakespears complete works. His comedies isn't fun att all.

You have to be selective with Shakespeare, I think - Hamlet is pretty much unbeatable, and Midsummer Night's Dream is pretty funny (both IMO). On the other hand, I was never able to get past the second scene in Troilus and Cressida. And he did invent the sitcom, after all (Merry Wives of Windsor).

D.H.
 

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You read all 12 books of a series you found so underwhelming?
Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twelve times...
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it's a bit like swimming across a river. you get halfway across, it's as much hassle to go back as it is to keep going. the covenant books were a bit like that; the last ones were read in the vain hope that it would be the last. i kicked that last book around the room and burned it when i finished it.
 

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Burroughs, Faulkner, Melville, Joyce, Tolstoy, Dickens, Nietzsche, Conrad, Lee, Hemingway, Salinger, Faulkner, even George Orwell? Hmmm...

Ayn Rand…well, I'm onboard with that. As buster poser said above “The absolute definition of a dumb person's idea of a smart person.” <ahem>

I know some folks read for diversion and fun. That’s fine. Overrated is different from didn’t like. Literature is often more than a diversion. There’s no shortage of diversionary books created only for entertainment purposes to consume, but there are only so many exemplary works to experience and contemplate.

I agree with several others above. I couldn’t get through Wheel of Time. The show failed to engage me as well. I found the characters unlikeable and the plot tired. The behavior of the characters was also often random and annoying. It felt like excessive descriptions and slow plot were there to pad the word count as opposed to serving the story.

I think the WOT series is important to people of a certain age and development who had little experience reading quality fiction before reading it.

Also, am I obligated to use the word turgid?
 

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On the road by Jack Kerouac. One of the most dismal benign rambling piles of poop I've ever read. In fact if someone offered it to me to read I would set them on fire.
A book that I loved up until the final chapter, was The Grapes of Wrath. Amazing book, but it just left me feeling drained, and not in a good way. I enjoyed the movie much more.
Thank you for validating my feelings on this book! You hear such great things about it. I thought it was crap and gave up about 1/3 of the way through.
 

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I read Atlas Shrugged out of curiosity spurred by the couplet from Simon and Garfunkel:

I been Ayn Randed, nearly branded
communist 'cause I'm left-handed
That's the hand to use, well, never mind


I'm glad I read it, but that was enough of her for me.

Funny, I read Norman Mailer and John O'Hara because of the same song, and liked them both a lot better. Dylan Thomas, too (whoever he was).
 
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Gravity’s Rainbow, by Thomas Pynchon.

I’ve tried to get through it at three different ages, and I’ve been unsuccessful each time.

I read a fair amount, but each time I attempt to plow through it, I quickly get frustrated.

Has anyone here ever read Swamplandia!, by Karen Russell? Many hated it, but I loved it.
Heh, Gravity’s Rainbow is a tough one. I found that about halfway through it either got easier (and goofier) or maybe I just began to think the way he writes. Fun but not necessary.
 

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Really? You don’t know if you’re enjoying reading a book until the end? If you bite into a rotten apple, do you need to eat the whole thing to know if it was rotten?
That's a bit of false equivalence.

There's been plenty of things I haven't particularly enjoyed at the beginning that I've enjoyed ar the end. Or had to get halfway through before I got it enough to enjoy it.

Confederacy of Dunces, for example, gets a lot better once you understand that every single character is an idiot. Yeah, it's in the title.

Or Ninth Ciry Burning, which stank until I recast it as an anime in my head. Then it was hilarious.

Then again, I've never regretted reading anything.
 

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That's a bit of false equivalence.

There's been plenty of things I haven't particularly enjoyed at the beginning that I've enjoyed ar the end. Or had to get halfway through before I got it enough to enjoy it.
I've suffered through some things that later on, the light came on and I "got" what the creator was trying to do. Sometimes then I appreciated or even liked it.

I saw Tom Cruise in the War of the Worlds movie. I hated it. It was all filmed from the character's perspective. When I realized later it was a tribute to the way people consumed the radio show I appreciated what they were trying to do. I still think it's a bad movie.
 

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Your choices online basically does this for you. Therefore you are fed news and articles that reinforce your opinions and biases. It is one of the reasons we are currently so split.
I'm going to respectfully disagree. I read the New York Times, Washington Post AND The Wall Street Journal and Barons in addition to other articles from other sources that catch my attention. Not every article, every day, but a variety. You choose to live in an echo chamber, you can get both sides of an issue if you want to.
 

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I dumped a whole forum of people I knew in person for this reason. Once I saw the thought process and the same behavior of some of these guys who I knew and in some cases looked up to, I had to leave. 2020-21 really made think how I wanted to spend my time.
I had my Facebook account hacked and it took Facebook two weeks to figure out that I was me, not some person who logged in as me from Vietnam. They had my phone number, my email and a copy of my driver's license. I spend much less time on Facebook now. I use it to keep in touch with friends, bands, animal rescues. I often say, Facebook is a tool, like a hammer. You can use a hammer to build a house, or you can use it to hit yourself in the face. Don't blame the hammer for YOUR choice.
 
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