Over the Katana

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I’ve been in the market for a new amp for home practice and recording for a while. I eventually bought a Katana 50 from my local guitar store, half on impulse. I knew I wasn’t going to really know for sure if it was for me just trying it out. I had to have the amp and live with the experience of playing through it for a while before I could really know if we were vibing. You don’t really know if your room mate is crazy until you’ve lived together for a while. That kind of logic.

I’ve had the Katana for about two months now and I’ve never been wowed by any part of it. Except for the price, I suppose. I paid for this what I paid for a Line 6 Spyder when I was in high school. And the “bad” presets on the Katana (anything above “crunch”) are still miles ahead of that freaking “insane” setting on the Spyder.

I’ve played with tone studio and realized how much I am just not about tweaking settings on a computer. That’s not how I like to interact with my instrument. Not a huge deal. I got “good enough” out of just the clean channel on the Katana, and loaded the sneaky amps models of the Jazz Chorus and the Fender Twin to two of my channel buttons and called it good.

That all changed tonight. My wife, lovely as she is, got me a very nice pair of headphones to replace some old Audio Technicas lost some months ago. Primarily for listening to music but also as a means for extra quiet late night practicing. I had heard tell of how underwhelming the Katanas headphone out sounded, so I was ready to be underwhelmed even relative to the otherwise “meh” attributes of the Katana, but holy mother of trout.

I cannot overstate how bad the sound through the headphones was. It was a nostalgia kick. It sounded like a low quality MP3 you’d pinch off LimeWire. It’s like the engineers at Boss went to the brass and asked “So do you want it to be as piercing as a glass seagull’s death rattle, or as muffled as a walkie talkie at the bottom of a pot of mashed potatoes?” And the big shots said “yes.”

A cooler head might prevail, but right now, I’m ready to call it and move on. I’m not going to stay married to an amp I didn’t even really get a honeymoon period with. It’s fine, I don’t despise it. It just isn’t a great fit for me. If anyone has suggestions, I’d be very interested in hearing them. My criteria:

1. Decent headphone sound. I will be playing a large part of the time through headphones. But not always, so the exclusive headphone amps aren’t for me.

2. Sounds good at low volumes. And I mean low. If I add any gain to the Katana, I switch to the .5w setting. An attenuator would be awesome.

3. I don’t care about models or tweak ability. I’m open to it, but I don’t want to have to get an app or connect to a computer to get the most out of it.

4. Stuff costs what it costs, so I’m not setting a super firm price limit, but I probably won’t be spending more than 1k anytime soon.

That’s it. Like I said, open to suggestions. I play mostly clean, some reverb and delay. I’m not precious about tone. I’m at the point where I’m after something that sounds of a certain quality, and acts as a solid base to build off of while I get better. I’ve recently had a Mustang LT25 that I didn’t get on with very well. Just didn’t care for the sound through the speakers so much. The Katana sounded better in the room than the LT but much worse through headphones. I also had an Orange Crush 35RT that was just way too loud to get an appreciable sound out of. I know they make smaller ones but I worry about speaker size at a certain point. Orange makes a really underrated clean amp sound, imo.

Before buying the Katana I’d been considering:

The Katana Artist. The additional knobs and improved speakers were big factors. I’m assuming it would suffer from the same headphone issues though so I imagine I can just cross this right off.

Fender GTX100. Was personally worried Id spend a little too much time in menus. Though the idea of lining up a bunch of presets that are just plain amps is kind of enticing.

Jazz Chorus 22. Love the classic JC sound. Bit worried the magic would be lost on the smaller model and speakers but the 40 ain’t tame able to living room volume.

Briefly considered the Iridium as well.

Any advice I’d appreciate. Sort of lost at this point but I’m 99% sure I’m over the Katana now.
 

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I ditched the Kantana 50 myself. Has an odd sound though to me... I could never get comfy with it even through the speaker. I liked the computer interface. So flexible. But the sounds always had an edge.

You might want to try an Artist at GC. I've heard it's a night and day difference. Bring your headphones. See what it does for you.

The Yamaha THR gets a lot of rave reviews. You might want to pilot one of those.
 

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There are a number of possible solutions available to you. I'll share what my low volume, home playing and recording, solution is that's worked well for me. It has several parts that can be swapped out.

I'll start with the last component in the chain, a Behringer mixer. This not only handles the amp input but input other devices like my laptop or synth. This also allows output to headphones, monitor/PA speakers and recording to PC. I also can plug effects units, like a POD or DigiTech RP, directly into the mixer to skip the steps below although I don't do that often now.

Going up the chain, the next part is a Hotone Binary Cab, an IR loader pedal. Almost any IR pedal would work here. I had a Mooer Rader there at one point although it was taken out by a power surge. Picking an IR can be tricky or fiddley. I narrowed this down to 4 IRs that have multi-mic and speaker combinations I like.

The next part is a Bugera PowerSoak load box that has a line out. The line out goes into the IR Cab pedal. Since I don't use powerful amps, the power soak can essentially eliminate any sounds from the amp itself.

Now, the amp. I have several amps but the most notable ones are a '73 Princeton Reverb and a Monoprice 5w. I sometimes use them without the rest of the setup although the volume can be loud enough to annoy my wife in that case. Another configuration I use sometimes is a amp or pre-amp pedal, such as my Tech 21 SansAmp, into the IR cab pedal without the load box.
 

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I don’t mean to sound like I’m jumping on the Kantana bashing bandwagon, especially since I have never played one, but I must admit that the only thing I personally find remotely appealing about it is that it’s at least not made in China (which I can wholeheartedly support)…

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Sold mine after a few months as well. I found myself plugging pedals into it for the tones I was looking for and the whole point of getting one was I wouldn’t need pedals. It was going to be my living room amp.Then it died so I had it fixed under warranty and sold it immediately after getting it back. Haven’t thought about it since.
 

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I've only played through a Positive Grid Spark once, and did not use phones, but was surprised greatly by the character of the live sound and the effects I tried. It's a beautifully designed and executed unit and great value for money.
I hate playing through phones because while the sound can be super hi fidelity, even then it does not replicate live sound well at all. Clearly, very few listeners ever experience music in a truly live space anymore -- it's phones, buds, laptops, or crap mini speakers 99% of the time -- so it might be best for players to move from traditional amps to different processing, and phones or small speakers. I won't be doing that myself, however. But the upshot is an amp that covers both live sound and a great headphone sound is actually an unlikely combo and for phones, it might be better to go for a unit dedicated to delivering a processed signal that is intended for delivery through phones.
Personally, I think phones and most digital delivery systems sound terrible, because they really do. I don't want to hear sounds in my head. I know most people think it sounds fine, but it doesn't, and the experience is antisocial, selfish, and isolated/disconnected. The difference between hearing and experiencing a violin, or SRV, in person and the same sources in reproduced sound heard through phones is astounding. So good luck. I don't know any amp that sounds like an amp when the signal goes to phones.
 

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I don’t know if you need a gigable amp or one just for home but the Yamaha THRII 10 sounds fantastic through headphones and as an interface for recording.
Just home use. I’ve heard about the THR. I thought I read somewhere that there is some editing that can only be done with the corresponding app?
Sold mine after a few months as well. I found myself plugging pedals into it for the tones I was looking for and the whole point of getting one was I wouldn’t need pedals. It was going to be my living room amp.Then it died so I had it fixed under warranty and sold it immediately after getting it back. Haven’t thought about it since.
Same here with the pedals. I didn’t expect to have everything built in, but I feel a little silly getting a feature laden amp and then utilizing almost zero of the features.
 

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Given your volume considerations it sounds like you want a Yamaha THR (I own the Vox Adio but the Yamaha is unquestionably the king of that corner of the market).

I know you keep mentioning being concerned of smaller speakers, but honestly if the Katana and Crush35 are too loud for your purposes then perhaps you shouldn't be worrying about speaker size so much. Hopefully that doesn't come across as rude or anything, as that's not my intent. Just making a point.

Also, I own the JC22. I don't feel anything is lost. But make no mistake, it is still LOUD despite the smaller speakers.
 

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I have the Boss Pocket GT which also uses Tone Studio.
Also Blackstar HT 5 and Orange Crush 20RT.

I would recommend the HT5 for dirt, for headphones, and the 12" speaker. But for the clean channel, it is not worth the price, IMO.

I think that if you are ok with 1k, maybe consider some premium modelers for 1.5k?

Given your requirements and the clean tone desire, I think under 1k you have:

--ORANGE ROCKER 15 which can do 0.5W as well as 1W, I think.
--FENDER MUSTANG GTX 50 which maybe too Katana like, but I bet Fender gets its cleans right.
 

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You've gone through three different, quite popular amps, and are still looking for something that "acts as a solid base to build off of while I get better."

You've only been considering 30-100 watt amps when your most important criteria are headphone listening and less than 1 watt output when you want to get loud.

You've come down with a horrible case of GAS. Log off and practice.
 

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Just home use. I’ve heard about the THR. I thought I read somewhere that there is some editing that can only be done with the corresponding app?

Same here with the pedals. I didn’t expect to have everything built in, but I feel a little silly getting a feature laden amp and then utilizing almost zero of the features.
How about the THR5? Simpler to use, and it sounds fantastic. I never plug into anything else at home.
 

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I was looking at a replacement for my Katana MK2 100W combo, until the V2 software update came out. It sounds a lot better. It used to be very farty and scratchy, and I went crazy loading 1000 patches from the internet and following YouTube videos on setting the various EQ stuff etc. But got nowhere near what I wanted.

But that's changed now.

I suspect if you were to try my Katana, you'd be surprised. I also gave up on patches and Tone Studio. I used the software to simply assign what I wanted to the various buttons like Boost and Mod. Then twiddled knobs and just press and hold the channel buttons to store. I mostly just play in panel mode anyway.

The headphone out isn't that bad, either. I dunno, I don't really use headphones much but it sounds pretty much like what I want headphones to sound like. Maybe that got improved with the software update?

I think the Artist is massively overpriced. The only real substantial difference now is the speaker.
 

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Just home use. I’ve heard about the THR. I thought I read somewhere that there is some editing that can only be done with the corresponding app?

Same here with the pedals. I didn’t expect to have everything built in, but I feel a little silly getting a feature laden amp and then utilizing almost zero of the features.
I usually love to fiddle tweaking things. I used it one time to set the echo delay time when I first got it in 2020. Three things that really surprised me about the THR was
1. Sounded fabulous through headphones. Btw it has Bluetooth with a separate volume so I practice to music on my phone all the time.
2. A Fuzz Face sounds and reacts almost as good through it as my amp.
3. It sounds good using it as an interface for recording USBs straight into DAW.
4. Stereo effects sound great.
5. Sounds pretty good as a Bluetooth stereo.
One thing that would have made it perfect would have been a line level “line out”.

Heres a recording of a Fuzz Face through it starting at the 1:45ish mark.
 

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Funny to read this, I've had a Katana 100 1st gen, and a Yamaha THR10C and both have moved on. I don't like using the PC to tweak things either. Now I have a Laney L5 Studio (2-channel tube amp with built in XLR and USB for recording) and a Headrush MX-5 (which is a modeler but they don't even offer a PC editor). I almost think you might want something way simpler. My bedroom rig uses a Hotone Mojo Diamond but I don't know what using phones sounds like.

For low volume mostly clean playing, I don't plug in at all.
 

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No doubt you will get lots of suggestions, but you may want to try out the Roland Blue Cube (Hot or Stage) or a Boss Nextone (Stage). These are small plug and play amps with simple controls and both can be dialed back to bedroom volumes.
 

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.......Then it died so I had it fixed under warranty and sold it immediately after getting it back. Haven’t thought about it since.
Wow.
I was thinking about one of these for an Acoustic Guitar Only amp (the price is appealing), but I think I'll stick with my Stage Bug DI straight into the PA.
 

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I hate playing through phones because while the sound can be super hi fidelity, even then it does not replicate live sound well at all.

That's something that the right IR can help with, a lot.

Another trick I've used with the setup I mentioned above is putting a room reverb in the aux loop of the mixer. I don't always use this since I often use a regular reverb pedal but it helps when using headphones.
 

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The Yamaha THR series is an awesome headphone and quiet speaker amp. It has all the knobs so you don't have to use the app, but it also has presets, so you use the app once to set them up and forget it after that. You don't even have to tweak the presets to get them right, you can download them and used them as is. If you aren't interested in downloading, the ones that come as default presets are pretty decent. Before you buy anything else, at least try one out.
 
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