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I'm from Singapore and I managed to order from both SBE and PPP for different parts.

They ship internationally and here are my experiences with them.

I have ordered from Steve (SBE) twice.

The first order came with 1 faulty germanium device, which Steve has offered to replace; see below.

2nd order, I ordered too many germanium devices, and Steve explained to me that he is not set up to cater to bulk germanium matched pairs. I ordered 13 sets of chinese pairs.

He instead sent me 50 untested devices, and asked me to match / audit them. Report to him if I required any additional devices to make it to 13 pairs. He will send any required with the 1 faulty from the first order.

Fair enough, I understand that this matching requires lots of work as I have done so myself.

His communication was very good, and he and his staff tries their best to make the customer happy. No doubt the customer isn't always right, but I did not force him to provide the alternatives, he proposed to me and as I understand the business he is in, I accept his options without hesitation.

Next, PPP. Communication has been somewhat okay at times, but there was a period where my e-mails were not answered. I later found out that they were at NAMM or had other out of office requirements and I accepted those answers. Urgent and family matters always come first, and everyone should understand that. I don't blame them and I apologised for trying to rush my order; see below.

I ordered 15 drilled enclosures from PPP. I sent them a template, only to find that there was a problem with clearance. So I amended it and resent it to them 3 times. The last time before they started drilling, I called PPP from Singapore to confirm that they had my drilling template. They confirmed.

I also ordered some pots and switches.

I ordered in late January, for 2 weeks after I paid, there was no reply from them stating when they could send out my order. I found out that they had to leave office due to a death in the family. No problem. My order can wait. When they did come back to office, and completed the drilling, I received my order on 26th Feb; they shipped on 21st Feb.

The 15 enclosures , 11 were to be drilled for 5 knobs, 4 for 2 knobs.

The 2 knob ones were to specification. The 5 knob ones were based on my first template. The switch was drilled too far towards the middle. Now my PCBs cannot fit in them.

Also, 1 pot came in broken, the fibreglass holding the 3 lugs broke off and 1 lug is off the pot. In additional, no screws were sent with the 15 enclosures.

Now, being left with 11 enclosures that won't fit my pre-made PCBs and 15 enclosures without screws and 1 broken pot. I e-mailed PPP with my concern.

They offered to send me the 15 sets of screws, but not to replace the pot. (damage during shipping I concluded).

For the 11 enclosures drilled incorrectly, they requested that I send the package back to them and they will provide me with the correct ones.

However, shipping from Singapore to USA will cost me USD80, which is more than having new PCBs with a revised layout made. So I just told Connie from PPP that it isn't economical. Its much cheaper for me just to get new PCBs made. They did not offer me any compensation or apology even.

I might order from PPP again, I may not. Not replying e-mails on time (there was a time when they did not reply for a week, least they could do was set a "not in office" automated e-mail reply). But messing up my order even after repeated confirmations is another.

This isn't the first time I'm ordering stuff from the states, I've ordered from Dave guitars, Weber, Wildwood, proguitarshop and musiciansfriend.

Mistakes happen, and I accept that, but not rectifying a problem is one thing that is rather difficult for a customer to swallow.

Weber has sent me a wrong speaker before, their shipping dept told me to keep the speakers sent as shipping back to the states would cover the cost of 1 ceramic 12" speaker. Shipping was USD70 for the speaker. I applaud Brian from Weber for helping me with this.
 

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I've had nothing but great buying experiences with pedal parts. And nothing but bad with Slow Bear. SBE has sent me different colored clear LED's without labeling them. And then charging me for parts they didn't have in stock with out any communication on their part that it was out of stock until I e-mailed them and they e-mailed me back a week later.
 

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Pedal Parts Plus is a good friendly outfit for one stop shopping they ship quickly and do not overcharge for shipping and prices are reasonable. I am building in enough quantities now where I source individual parts from the bigger distributors now and there so do not use PPP all that often but if you need something in a hurry or odds and ends they are good. If you are just getting started building they are very convenient. They are nice if you forget something after you placed an order they will add it to the order and charge the difference (usually)

In all my years building pedals never used Small Bear electronics for anything that is said without prejudice, I just have other sources. So no comment on Small Bear.
 

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I ordered different coloured clear LEDs from PPP in the order as well, they came in unlabeled. I don't really mind that as I can check the colours out.

Small bear has been fast for me actually. They pack my order 2 days after I've paid and I receive it within 10 working days after payment.

There were some knobs that were not in stock when I ordered on 10th Jan, a guy named JVC e-mailed me stating that they would arrive 28th Jan and apologised for the inconvenience. When they had it in stock they immediately sent it out and informed me via e-mail. I received the knobs on the 6th of Feb.

Wnorcott: I agree that they will add stuff to the order. Shipping calculated via the checkout does not provide flat rate international prices. I overpaid USD15, they offered to pack additional parts in for my order.
 

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No experience with PPP, but I've had solid experiences with Small Bear. I've forgotten to order items before only to email them after the fact and ask if they can add them and they always have.

On the flip side, I don't think I've ever gotten an order 100% correct from them on the first go. There's always something missing or a wrong item sent. Last time I ordered a CD4049UBE chip for a Red Llama clone and they sent me a CD4069UBE. The replacement they sent out was another 4069. It was only the second time that the correct chip arrived. Having said that, they've always been awesome about their customer service and making sure that any wrongs are righted eventually.
 

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I've heard good and bad things about both at various times...though personally I have only ordered from SmallBear, and never have had any issues, though I do recall a few months back when they were moving or something, there was a lot of people who had delays and other issues with orders, but lately those things have not been issues with them...
 

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I've never orered from Small Bear as their shipping rates to the UK are absolutely disgracefully high.

I have used PPP a couple of times though, as I heard you can email your order to them (instead of using the shopping cart on the site) and request the cheapest possible shipping method. PPP have been nothing but great with me. Fast replies to emails, great internation shipping rates (when ordered by email) and the paint jobs on the enclosures are flawless.
 

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I ordered from Small Bear a few weeks ago and they took eight days to ship after payment was received. I think maybe it is a part-time biz and they process orders on the weekend.
 

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Lightice, sorry to hear about your experience. I am sure you just caught the folks at PP at a bad time, but I can certainly understand your frustration. I have dealt with both SBE and PPP on many transactions, some smoother than others. All in all I can tcomplain about either.

My PPP orders always come with a handwritten "Thanks" which I appreciate. :)
 

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Mine comes with a "Thanks" as well. Maybe I caught them in a bad time.
But its just a bad experience.

For small bear, he does allow you to use the flat rate international shipping via USPS. I think its around USD58 for a box.

I paid that for my shipping from PPP. Otherwise, my previous orders from small bear was always around USPS shipping rates quoted on USPS website.
 

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I don't know how much a bench drill press is in Singapore, but over here in the states, it pays for itself really quickly if you drill the holes yourself as opposed to what the suppliers charge (~$3 for 9 holes?).

I will also tweak those holes down to 1/16" increments until I get it just how I like it, so it's nice to have that flexibility. If you get them pre-drilled, you're kinda stuck.

I have gotten pretty handy at using J-B Weld to fill/redrill holes in boxes. It works well IMO, and the hardest part is waiting for the stuff to cure (they make Quick Weld, but I like the extra strength of the regular stuff). You can even use a little metal or fiberglass screen material on the box interior to further strengthen where you fill the holes.

As far as pots go - Futurlec is much closer to you than it is to me, and they have pots for ~$.60! Order in bulk and toss the bad ones!

3PDT switches originate from Taiwan - any chance you could get a supplier that would send straight to you, instead of halfway round the world and then back again? Ditto for the enclosures from China? Might require some work, but might be worth it? Just a suggestion.

As far as rare/obsolete stuff, I don't know what to tell you. If you've got to have it, I guess there will be some frustration involved.

I stopped ordering from Small Bear because of the P/T issue - it was taking a long time for me to get parts, and I keep my inventory sparse to keep costs down. PPP is better, but still irks me w/the USPS shipping in the flat rate boxes. The USPS tracking is hit or miss, it seems. And the flat rate fees from LA to MD sure seem on the high side.

I'd grab as much stuff from Futurlec as possible, if that's an option.
 

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Thanks 11.
I'm not ordering in that big a bulk so I can't really find a supplier from Taiwan for the switches.
As for enclosures I can get them locally for about the same price as US, possibly a dollar or two more per enclosure.

I wanted to get a bench drill, but I realised that the distance between the bit and the plate was too near. Especially when adding a 1/2" drill bit, I won't be able to stand the enclosure on its end to drill the DC in socket.
 

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I wanted to get a bench drill, but I realised that the distance between the bit and the plate was too near. Especially when adding a 1/2" drill bit, I won't be able to stand the enclosure on its end to drill the DC in socket.

There are two ways around this.

The first is a unibit (step bit) - you need one of the short squat ones that will give you the necessary clearance.

The second is to drill with a smaller bit and use a tapered reamer to bring the hole up to 1/2". If you get a reamer with a max diameter of 1/2", you just ream all of the way thru and the hole size is perfect. I've done hundreds of boxes using a tapered reamer for the D.C. jack and footswitch holes. It goes through aluminum with relative ease.

The other benefit of either a unibit or tapered reamer is that both will deburr things nicely. They also tend to not grab the box like a big traditional style bit can, especially one that is 3/8" or larger.
 

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Thats a good idea, thanks I'll try looking for it and see if I can get an affordable bench drill press.
 

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I ordered a new switch for my wah, and a few germanium diodes from slow bear. 5 days later I get the email it's been shipped, today marks day seven since I got that email. and I live in the same state as small bear...

as long as everything comes in fine I won't be upset. just true bypassing my wah has already been a long time coming.
 

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PPP hasn't replied any of my e-mails. I've wanted to buy some new stuff from them, and also to check if they've shipped out the screws missing from my order.
No news, and its getting frustrating. Very frustrating.
 

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I thought I'd chime in here with my own experience ordering from Small Bear Electronics.

Last week, I ruined one of the transistors on my GGG "Rodent" project by installing it backwards. So last Saturday I ordered a replacement from Small Bear for $0.50 along with a few other minor items.

I was gone on vacation all of last week, and when I returned yesterday I figured there'd be a small package waiting for me so I could finish this project. Instead, Small Bear sent me e-mail on Saturday afternoon, after I had already left for the airport, indicating that "due to heavy volume" there would be a 5-day delay in processing my order! WTF?

Turns out they sent my package out on Wednesday, but I'm still not expecting it till next week. I've been looking forward to finishing this darn build for a week, but now I'll have to keep waiting.

For all I know, the folks at Small Bear Electronics are very nice people, but I'll never do business with them again. If there was going to be a 1-week delay in processing orders, they should have mentioned this *before* I hit the submit button. There are plenty of vendors out there who sell $0.50 cent transistors and can ship them the same day. This was my first...AND LAST...transaction with Small Bear.
 

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When I order stuff from Small Bear, Futurlec, Electronic Goldmine, etc. I always go with the notion of not looking forward to receiving it for at least 2 weeks. It takes the rage out of waiting for stuff from them. At least for me. Actually, make that if I order stuff from Small Bear.

I don't rule them out, because some have unbeatable deals, or just things that can't be (easily) found elsewhere.

Then again, I'm ordering 90% of my semiconductors from Mouser these days. It can be a bit laborious trying to find certain transistors, but overall not too bad. If you're willing to invest some time and read some data sheets, it can really pay off. And I usually get my ground shipments in ~3 days (TX hub to MD).

The catch 22 with SBE (IMO) is that they make it easy to find pedal specific stuff, and the prices are typically not much more than Mouser. The problem comes with the wait time.
 

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When I order stuff from Small Bear, Futurlec, Electronic Goldmine, etc. I always go with the notion of not looking forward to receiving it for at least 2 weeks. It takes the rage out of waiting for stuff from them. At least for me. Actually, make that if I order stuff from Small Bear.

I don't rule them out, because some have unbeatable deals, or just things that can't be (easily) found elsewhere.

Then again, I'm ordering 90% of my semiconductors from Mouser these days. It can be a bit laborious trying to find certain transistors, but overall not too bad. If you're willing to invest some time and read some data sheets, it can really pay off. And I usually get my ground shipments in ~3 days (TX hub to MD).

The catch 22 with SBE (IMO) is that they make it easy to find pedal specific stuff, and the prices are typically not much more than Mouser. The problem comes with the wait time.

Exactly! I'm pissed because after driving home from the airport I was all excited to find a small package in the mail from SBE with the FET 2N5458 transistor I needed...but when I got home, I realized that it won't be here till next week. (I remember feeling this way as a kid when I used buy mail order RC glider parts all the time from Hobby Lobby.)

I just went up to Mouser and saw that they sell this same part for $0.13 with immediate shipping (they have over 7,000 of 'em in stock).

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=ljbEvF4DwONvpN98lQuc1Q==

Like you, I think I'll stick with Mouser too, unless I need something really proprietary. I've used Mouser for years for my RC projects (like Switchcraft charging plug jacks for the batteries in my gliders), and I'm pissed that I didn't think to use them this time around. Like a lot of folks, I did a quick GOOGLE search, and SBE was the first recognizable link in the list.
 

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I just went up to Mouser and saw that they sell this same part for $0.13 with immediate shipping (they have over 7,000 of 'em in stock).

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=ljbEvF4DwONvpN98lQuc1Q==

When you order, you might as well grab some other popular FET's as well, like J201's, 2N5457's, and 2N5459's.

FET's are pesky little things when it comes to biasing and gain, sometimes. That's when a socket and a handful of even the same type come in handy. I always think of the Subdecay Liquid Sunshine pedal when it comes to them, and how the circuit had to be tweaked over the years due to FET variation, transconductance, etc.

In the case of the GGG Rat clone, it's cool to see that they tweaked the FET booster/buffer biasing. J.D. is da man, for sure.
 
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