One bucket brigade pedal for delay flange and chorus?

[telemnemonics]

And have to choose just one at a time???

IDK, sounds like you want a sedan that doubles as a tractor using the same engine.

 

[RLangham98]

Analogman mini chorus uses bucket bridge.
No flange though

Yeah I have the DemonFX clone of it. This train of thought kinda started with me thinking about how much a somewhat thick chorus with the mix fairly dry and the speed turned down on that pedal sounds like the extremely short delay (shorter than slapback) I use sometimes to “widen” my lead tone.

And have to choose just one at a time???

IDK, sounds like you want a sedan that doubles as a tractor using the same engine.

I dunno I just like combo pedals because I don’t want to run a big board. One gain pedal and one time-based/modulation pedal on a small piece of wood would be a fairly ideal portable board for me, especially since I just got the Boss OS-2 which is two gain pedals in one. Using it as a delay 80% of the time, it would still be cool to have mod options.

 

[sadfield]

Yeah I have the DemonFX clone of it. This train of thought kinda started with me thinking about how much a somewhat thick chorus with the mix fairly dry and the speed turned down on that pedal sounds like the extremely short delay (shorter than slapback) I use sometimes to “widen” my lead tone.

The Haas effect.

And have to choose just one at a time???

The benefit, if you have a delay you like the character of, then you'll also have a flanger and chorus with the same character.

 

[sadfield]

I've used both and still use the H9Max and I love these

How did the DSP of the pedal compare to the SDD2000? I was tempted by the pedal, but bought a SDD-2000 last week.

 

[Grandy]

I have an old Ibanez DML10 that does flange, chorus and delay plus a lot more. It's digital though and they are pretty hard to come by these days.

 

[telemnemonics]

The Haas effect.





The benefit, if you have a delay you like the character of, then you'll also have a flanger and chorus with the same character.

I probably have 20 flangers 20 ADs and ten chorus’.
I am quite certain the character is not guaranteed to be the same and in fact I would not want them the same.

AD I prefer clear bright repeats, not the common lo Fi warm AD sound that gets praised so much.

Chorus and flange is often too bright, too Hi Fi or even metallic, and I prefer warmer but not dark.

Put another way, chorus and flange should sound like an effect.
AD should not sound like a effect, to me.

Given problems like chorus and flange setting adjustments changing the output level, plus just making good chorus AND good flange in a pedal with just those two, I would pay for another chip and another board then if required, put the two side by side in one housing.

None of the chorus flange pedals Ive had were fantastic at both.
Some great flangers tweak into chorus range though.
The Choralflange is pretty good but not all the way there at both, and Mike gave up on the circuit looking for adequate chips.

I understand there are better Hi Fi bbd chips now but where are the better flangers and chorus’?

Bought a recent TC and it was insect metallic tone.
Got numerous modern and the best seem to be vintage though they have noise problems and tend to be a bit dark with volume boost.

Couple of TZF, couple of Frostbite, a Hartman and an old AD/A.
To just build a great flanger or chorus is really haaaarrrd, man!
Mr Black does a surprising trick with the Shepard’s End which is small and sounds great, really no volume or tone change.
No chorus but it is not jet planey either and may suffice.

I think this goal is like wanting a split HB to nail Strat Tele and LP tones. Not going to happen.
IMO!

 

[RLangham98]

I probably have 20 flangers 20 ADs and ten chorus’.
I am quite certain the character is not guaranteed to be the same and in fact I would not want them the same.

AD I prefer clear bright repeats, not the common lo Fi warm AD sound that gets praised so much.

Chorus and flange is often too bright, too Hi Fi or even metallic, and I prefer warmer but not dark.

Put another way, chorus and flange should sound like an effect.
AD should not sound like a effect, to me.

Given problems like chorus and flange setting adjustments changing the output level, plus just making good chorus AND good flange in a pedal with just those two, I would pay for another chip and another board then if required, put the two side by side in one housing.

None of the chorus flange pedals Ive had were fantastic at both.
Some great flangers tweak into chorus range though.
The Choralflange is pretty good but not all the way there at both, and Mike gave up on the circuit looking for adequate chips.

I understand there are better Hi Fi bbd chips now but where are the better flangers and chorus’?

Bought a recent TC and it was insect metallic tone.
Got numerous modern and the best seem to be vintage though they have noise problems and tend to be a bit dark with volume boost.

Couple of TZF, couple of Frostbite, a Hartman and an old AD/A.
To just build a great flanger or chorus is really haaaarrrd, man!
Mr Black does a surprising trick with the Shepard’s End which is small and sounds great, really no volume or tone change.
No chorus but it is not jet planey either and may suffice.

I think this goal is like wanting a split HB to nail Strat Tele and LP tones. Not going to happen.
IMO!

It was just a thought experiment to be honest. I mean, I have my answer for “why doesn’t this exist?” so I’m satisfied regardless.

 

[sadfield]

I probably have 20 flangers 20 ADs and ten chorus’.
I am quite certain the character is not guaranteed to be the same and in fact I would not want them the same.

AD I prefer clear bright repeats, not the common lo Fi warm AD sound that gets praised so much.

Chorus and flange is often too bright, too Hi Fi or even metallic, and I prefer warmer but not dark.

Put another way, chorus and flange should sound like an effect.
AD should not sound like a effect, to me.

Given problems like chorus and flange setting adjustments changing the output level, plus just making good chorus AND good flange in a pedal with just those two, I would pay for another chip and another board then if required, put the two side by side in one housing.

None of the chorus flange pedals Ive had were fantastic at both.
Some great flangers tweak into chorus range though.
The Choralflange is pretty good but not all the way there at both, and Mike gave up on the circuit looking for adequate chips.

I understand there are better Hi Fi bbd chips now but where are the better flangers and chorus’?

Bought a recent TC and it was insect metallic tone.
Got numerous modern and the best seem to be vintage though they have noise problems and tend to be a bit dark with volume boost.

Couple of TZF, couple of Frostbite, a Hartman and an old AD/A.
To just build a great flanger or chorus is really haaaarrrd, man!
Mr Black does a surprising trick with the Shepard’s End which is small and sounds great, really no volume or tone change.
No chorus but it is not jet planey either and may suffice.

I think this goal is like wanting a split HB to nail Strat Tele and LP tones. Not going to happen.
IMO!

Horses for courses. Way back before BBD chips and analogue pedals, flanger, chorus and delay came from the same tape machine in a studio. So, it is possible for them all to come from the same unit, and arguably that is what all subsequent delay based effects are trying to replicate, the early manipulation of tape.

 

[telemnemonics]

Yeah I have the DemonFX clone of it. This train of thought kinda started with me thinking about how much a somewhat thick chorus with the mix fairly dry and the speed turned down on that pedal sounds like the extremely short delay (shorter than slapback) I use sometimes to “widen” my lead tone.

I dunno I just like combo pedals because I don’t want to run a big board. One gain pedal and one time-based/modulation pedal on a small piece of wood would be a fairly ideal portable board for me, especially since I just got the Boss OS-2 which is two gain pedals in one. Using it as a delay 80% of the time, it would still be cool to have mod options.

My Maxon AD is always on.
Flange or chorus is nice with the AD, but I guess one at a time it would not be much of a loss to not have the delay on.
My feeling is better to put the delay on its own, separate circuit board in a dual pedal, not try to insert all different control options on the single bbd chip.
Somebody could build you one I’m sure, tons of small builders using aftermarket boards.
Even possible to rehouse two pedals into one.

 

[telemnemonics]

Horses for courses. Way back before BBD chips and analogue pedals, flanger, chorus and delay came from the same tape machine in a studio. So, it is possible for them all to come from the same unit, and arguably that is what all subsequent delay based effects are trying to replicate, the early manipulation of tape.

Just need to fit the studio engineer into the pedal with the tape machines!
I had an Echoplex, no flanging in there due to not enough parts?

 

[sadfield]

Just need to fit the studio engineer into the pedal with the tape machines!
I had an Echoplex, no flanging in there due to not enough parts?

Well it lacks modulation and the lowest delay time of 65ms isn't even slow enough for chorus, so no, MXR didn't want you to have the option. The Space Echo mode on my Boss RV-500 can be made to do it.

 

[telemnemonics]

Well it lacks modulation and the lowest delay time of 65ms isn't even slow enough for chorus, so no, MXR didn't want you to have the option. The Space Echo mode on my Boss RV-500 can be made to do it.

I meant a real Echoplex, with tape loop and multiple heads.
But modulation is missing while it could be added easily enough to a motor control.
RV-500 is digital and the circuitry in not even related.
Anyhow, seems despite these being popular and sharing a chip, combining them has not been done much.
The chip itself is less costly and complicated than trying to get all those functions around the one chip onto one board with acceptable controls and each sounding ways the buyer prefers each effect to sound.

 

[telemnemonics]

My thinking balances goals and problems with over emphasis on problems.
I dislike things going wrong or poor outcomes.
Plus I tend to over build or over design.
Other viewpoints are not less valid even if I seem to dispute them.
Interesting and useful to me if practical.
But I have not really found any dual pedal I loved both sides of.
Too damn picky!

Many who want more stuff from fewer boxes are very happy with multi FX.

 

[sadfield]

Chorus, flanger and delay are just time based effects. The relationship between a static signal and one delayed. It all just one effect, dictated by control of the delay time.

 

[RLangham98]

My thinking balances goals and problems with over emphasis on problems.
I dislike things going wrong or poor outcomes.
Plus I tend to over build or over design.
Other viewpoints are not less valid even if I seem to dispute them.
Interesting and useful to me if practical.
But I have not really found any dual pedal I loved both sides of.
Too damn picky!

Many who want more stuff from fewer boxes are very happy with multi FX.

I can't abide menus or weird interfaces. That's one reason I tend to be most happy with analog (though there are exceptions... Neo Mini Vent II, DL4, et cetera.)

As for dual pedals... some can be decent. The Boss OS-2 combines a SD-1 and a DS-2, is often as cheap as the former, and is built so that the same three knobs affect the parameters for both pedals, and do so in corresponding amounts, so when you turn the blend knob from the SD side to the DS side, all that changes is your tone color, not gain, not level, not tone. Admittedly I mostly leave it firmly on the SD side, very rich, very amp-like, but both are great tones.

 

[24 track]

How did the DSP of the pedal compare to the SDD2000? I was tempted by the pedal, but bought a SDD-2000 last week.

I used the SDD 2000 in my studio, what a great unit, I'm looking to get another, you will get a good understanding of how these effects work , how the modulations work for each of the effects.

The SDD3000
In addition to the original SDD–3000 voicing, today’s SDD–3000 offers a further seven delay types — Analogue (CCD), Tape, Modern (clean DDL), Kosmic (pitched reverb), Reverse, Pitch and Panning — and the delay time can be extended from 1ms to 4s.

aparently there is a SDD3000 upgrade for the SDD2000

 

[sadfield]

aparently there is a SDD3000 upgrade for the SDD2000

I came across this preamp mod when doing some pre-purchase research. I doubt I'll mess with this one, I'm using it more as a post amp effect and insert in my DAW.

Thread 'Korg SDD 2000 to 3000 mod' https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/korg-sdd-2000-to-3000-mod.1561880/

 

[24 track]

I came across this preamp mod when doing some pre-purchase research. I doubt I'll mess with this one, I'm using it more as a post amp effect and insert in my DAW.

Thread 'Korg SDD 2000 to 3000 mod' https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/korg-sdd-2000-to-3000-mod.1561880/

Nice , and thank you!

 

[24 track]

How did the DSP of the pedal compare to the SDD2000? I was tempted by the pedal, but bought a SDD-2000 last week.

I found the sound of the SDD2000 to be a clean reproduction of the input similar but not as sterile as Lexicon units, I like that little bit of degradation at the tale of a delay it give a distance to the signal , Lexicons are pure the reflections are mirror to the input , the Korg units added warmth on the reflections , the sampler was fun to work with as well, but the real strength is the ability to vary the type of modulations and the intensity to taste separated it from other units, I used to use it to create a beautiful doubling on vocals by applying a 10 ms delay with a limited decay spreading the pan left and right about 75 % totally beefed up the signal and recreated a realistic double, of course you have to tweak till you find the effect you want.

 

[Zenyatta]

I think, but stand to be corrected, the narrower range of adjustment on BB chips is the problem. So they can be set to do flange and chorus, or short to long delay. Not both. Also, for best results with flanger, ideally the polarity of the feedback needs to be flipped to negative.

Negative polarity flanging isn't all that common. You can do it on the Strymon Deco (which can do chorus and delay too, but is DSP), but most classic flangers are positive polarity. Negative polarity flanging gives an almost phaser kind of sound.