OK, I am going to say it, Elvis

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  1. teleman1

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    Was an amateur musically compared Little Richard. AND Gene Vincent was a better singer. THe public wasn't entirely wrong about Elvis, but just like the Raptor f 22, there was something better. It seems like if anything can catch a wave, the public always jumps on it. Elvis was an exception, but most times the public just doesn't get ANYTHING. You should have seen some of the lack of acceptance of a real deal; THe Beatles. Most people were into bubble gum whimp top 40 and there was no place in their head for long hairs from England. Thank God common sense prevailed.
     
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    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    You are mistaken sir.
    And not just about the beetles

    I'll give you that Richard Penniman has possibly more claim to the throne. but then again, so does possibly Jerry Lee Lewis, and most definitely Chuck Berry
     
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    I don't think common sense ever prevails.

    Elvis had the right elements and was the right person for the time and had the right people behind him and he could do what he did. Nobody else had that.

    The Beatle, again, had all the right elements, the woodshed time, the support staff, and the ability to really write songs... and on the confluence of light pop and folk. They, too, were perfect for their time.
     
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    I think some of us like artists that can say a lot with a limited vocabulary and we don't really think in terms of good, better, best, or music as a competition but more just what speaks to us on a primal and less cerebral level. Of course, that doesn't always bring the cream to the surface, but when it does you get guys like Albert King and Elvis Presley. I usually find highly technically proficient artists who make that their demonstration good for a couple of listens but boring in relatively short order. Obviously many do not.
     
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    No doubt there were better musicians and singers than Elvis, but were there better entertainers?

    Elvis and the Beatles were a perfect storm.

    I'd take the Stones over the Beatles any day of the week.
     
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  6. blowtorch

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    here's one thing, without Elvis, we wouldn't even know who Little Richard was. Hardly any of us have heard of him, without there being Elvis. Just a couple of those students of obscure recording artists, and there's no footage or movie appearances for them to reference, just some old recordings

    And without Elvis, the beetles simply do not exist
     
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    who really cares? come on, you guys. It is all irrelevant now.
     
  8. blowtorch

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    I really do care, melania :)
     
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    See, this is the problem...The Beatles were bubble gum whimp music at first. I'm not really an Elvis fan and I am a hardcore Beatles fan..but I would have HATED...HATED them when Beatlemania hit.
    "Yeah...Yeah...Yeah...":eek:

    Elvis' original releases:
    "That's Alright Mama" - '54
    "Good Rockin' Tonight"- '54
    "Milkcow Blues Boogie" - '54
    "I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone"- '55

    These are great songs...and not the type of "race" music good God fearing white boys recorded let alone made it big with. That really was earth-shattering back then.

    Elvis may have been a hack guitar player, a good but not great singer...but when he hit he was the real deal.


    The Beatles' original releases:
    "Love Me Do" - '62
    "Please Please Me" - '63
    "From Me To You" - -63
    "She Loves You" - '63
    "I Wanna Hold You Hand" - '63

    As much as I love The Beatles...these song are beyond whimpy. "Please Please Me" is OK. But "Love Me Do" honestly is horrible and "She Loves You" and "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" are basically what The New Kids on the Block and Backstreet Boys would record decades later.


    Now post-Army Elvis vs "Rubber Soul" and beyond Beatles...it's like comparing Pat Boone's Heavy Metal album to "Kill 'em All".

    In hindsight it's real easy to see who the real deal is between the two.
    But one started very strong and was truly different to the general public and finished as a caricature.
    The others started as pretty boys singing to screaming preteens...and then got high with Dylan and changed the face of music. ;)

    Little Richard? He was the first real rock star. Hugely popular, wrote his own tunes, really scared parents and lived a life of total hedonism...that's a rock star.
     
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    or he may not have been
     
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    Strongly disagree. There was a 4 or 5-year period starting in '77 when everything Elvis put out was fresh and exciting--My Aim is True, This Year's Model, Armed Forces...
     
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    This times 100.

    We're in 2020. There is likely nothing out there about any of the above mentioned acts that will change public perception about any of them. Listen to what you like, move on.
     
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    It's so damn sad he couldn't have just done this instead of those God-awful movies....
    Elvis' had to have had one of the worst managers of all times.
     
  14. blowtorch

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    Declan Patrick Aloysius Macmanus had no business calling himself Elvis


     
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    In a way, I cut the Colonel some slack. It was all uncharted waters at the time. He famously said "When I met that boy, he had a million-dollar voice. Now he's got a million dollars."

    On the other hand, he was the devil, there is no doubt about it. Anything for a buck
     
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    Gene Vincent had nothing on Elvis vocally. His biggest hit was copying Elvis. Nuff said.

    Don't get me wrong I love Gene. Those 35 tracks Cliff Gallup recorded are fantastic. I might agree Cliff Gallup > Scotty Moore.

    As far as the Beatles vs Elvis argument. I'm a HUGE Beatle fan but you have to realize they don't exist without Elvis.
    The Beatles came to visit Elvis at the height of Beatlmania. Talk about fan boys!
     
  18. blowtorch

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    Scotty Moore was just trying to be Chet Atkins and failing.
    Thank goodness for that!! It was because of his (perceived) limitations that we got to hear what we heard

    I'll take Scotty cool over Chet sly amazing technique every time

    and yes, Cliff's playing is awesome
     
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    You're forgetting the years when the Beatles just played American R&B covers, most of it in Hamburg bars, in authentic leather jackets.

    There was a lot of history before Love Me Do.
     
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    Blasphemy, Elvis is part of the Trinity


    Dig the geetar picking thought this song on an Ibanez Superstrat no less
     
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