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OK... guitar tone controls...

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by charlie chitlin, Mar 3, 2021.

  1. Collin D Plonker

    Collin D Plonker Tele-Afflicted

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    I really don't like the standard modern capacitor values. Even at .022 uF the tone gets too muddy too fast for my liking.

    I usually solder in some test leads with alligator clips and try different caps until I get one I like. My tele is .010 uF. My P90 guitar I just built has .0033 uF. My strat is.0022 uF.

    I go for a nice sweep with usable tones all the way to zero.
     
  2. Ess Eff

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    You sure the Intonation on that bridge is ok?
    Looks mighty whacky.

    Oh, re. tone controls..... All too hard! Just leave them on full (or if building, leave them out, altogether).
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  3. tfarny

    tfarny Friend of Leo's

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    If you set up your amp with the guitar tone on 10, then yes all it does is make the guitar too dark. If you set your guitar tone to around 7 and then set up your amp, you might find it's real useful.
     
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  4. mad dog

    mad dog Friend of Leo's

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    Can't like this post enough. Beautiful Guild. Spectacular! Here are mine. Two blonds. The X50 is a '62:

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    The X175 is a '61:

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  5. alnico357

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    I have a Stellartone Tonestyler tone pot in my Carvin.

    The stock tone control in my Harley Benton works great!

    If my Telecaster did not have its tone control, Telecaster Death Treble would have done me in by now.
     
  6. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    It does look wacky, but it's right.
    On most wood saddles, the peak is angled, so even when the bridge is set straight, the high strings are a bit shorter than the low; but this one is straight, so the whole bridge needs to be angled a bit unnaturally...but it's right.
    I may use a different bridge that won't look so out of whack.
     
  7. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    DAY-UM!!! That is beautiful.
    I have a late model M75 Aristocrat that is a shockingly good guitar.
    As I understand it, the pickups are a very accurate reproduction of the original Franz.
    The neck pickup is sublime.
    The bridge pickup, a bit thin, but I changed the pots to 250k and the difference was striking.
    And I changed the bridge to rosewood...the guitar woke up in amazing ways. None of the stuff happened that most would say would happen when changing from TOM to wood.
    Even sustain improved.
    DAMN!!! THAT'S BEAUTIFUL!
     
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  8. Telecasterless

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    I'm changing my username to Wide Open
     
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  9. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    If somebody put this guitar in my hands and told me it cost $2500, I would believe it. IMG_20200311_145350.jpg
     
  10. jsnwhite619

    jsnwhite619 Friend of Leo's

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    50's style volume/tone setup changed my playing forever. Rewired all my stuff for that.

    250k for single coils, 500k for humbuckers. .022uf tone cap for humbuckers, can't remember my Tele setup but nothing big.

    I like linear volume and log tone. I like it that way for a quick pinkie roll to go from rhythm to lead and back.
     
  11. Peegoo

    Peegoo Poster Extraordinaire

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    I have one of those from 2013, and I agree 100%.

    I took the pickups out and compared 'em to the one in my '61. The materials and construction were virtually identical, except the modern version has covers made of ABS. They sound really close to the originals. The neck carve and frets are so nice on this guitar, and it's super light in weight and sounds so dang good.

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    Another Guild in my toy box is a Westerly X150-D Savoy. It is a real sweetie.

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  12. chris m.

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    Stock tone circuits are kind of limited. That’s why there are so many great mods out there to try. Tons of articles and wiring diagrams available on the Internet. Teles are pretty simple. Classic Tele bridge pickups often benefit from having the stock tone rolled back to around 8 to tame the ice pick. One of the few guitars where a bog standard wiring scheme actually works well imo. Usually I end up modding in various ways to improve functionality.
     
  13. Killing Floor

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    Depends on the guitar and the song and sometimes the room.

    On my HH my favorite mix is both on, bridge tone dimed and neck tone off or 20%.
     
  14. EsquireOK

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    Yes, there is a magic formula.

    1. Higher value pot (no lower than 500K, and often 1M).

    2. Linear taper pot.

    3. Lower value cap.

    4. Set amp to sound "normal" with tone knob rolled down a bit.

    Do it this way, and you can go either down or up on your tone knob.

    What did it this way? Fender Jazzmasters, 1958. Why it hasn't caught on, I still don't really get.
     
  15. PastorJay

    PastorJay Friend of Leo's

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    I like using tone controls to roll off some highs. That works well for getting some warm jazzy tones from the neck pickup on my Tele or my P-90 equipped LP Special.

    I haven't figured out, though, how to get a usable Clapton "Woman Tone" on that LP Special. Rolling off all the highs on the treble pickup results in too much volume loss. I suppose I could roll off half way and see what happens. Haven't tried that yet.

    Or maybe I could use a clean boost. But unless it's truly EQ neutral, it might mess up the sound.

    And I've got no idea how to get that tone on a Strat. Any suggestions?
     
  16. chris m.

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    On the LP Special try using just the neck pickup or middle position both pickups and rolling back tone knobs until you hit the sweet spot for "woman tone".
     
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