Let x = your first name Let y = your brother's first name How many conversations with a parent begins with "Oh, Larry, uh, Glenn..." My brother Glenn and I are 14 years apart in age, but didn't actually live together long, as I split at 18. When I was 30, I was about to go off to grad school, and spent a month at my parents' house while I was closing up shop, so to speak. My brother and I had a chance to get to know each other better for that month, and had a lot of fun. But my parents could not keep our names straight. I was the only male child at home for 14 years, and my brother was the only one for 8-10 years (I am not doing my arithmetic so well). So, when the two of us got together, that's when the "Oh, Glenn, uh Larry..." stuff started. The Bob Newhart Show, where he owned a hotel, was popular at the time, and there were a group of dufus brothers, named, Larry, Daryl, and Daryl. Glenn and I decided that our parents should just call us Daryl. My mom actually went along with this for a few days. My dad never watched much TV, so the context was just lost on him. I'm watching a documentary right now, where the mother said, "Ron, uh, Steve..." That got ye olde brain cells interacting and, voila, a brand new thread!