odd looking vintage Jaguar

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  1. aadvark

    aadvark TDPRI Member

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    https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/1972-electric-fender-jaguar-model-guitar-BFB408F89A

    Vaguely interested in this...
    it says 1972... maybe m the body. (triple ply guard)
    but that neck is questionable, it also has a 4 bolt neck plate, with a questionable L10101, (what a coincidence, they only had two numbers?)
    wrong tuners, bound dot neck, decal looks right for early sixties.... hmmm

    could be dodgy? or just a bit of a dog's brekkie... the pickups are not mounted,
    so whatever the story, she'd need some work.

    any thoughts?
    if anyone decides to outbid me, maybe let me know!
     
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    radiocaster Poster Extraordinaire

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    Looks a lot like a serviceman.

    I would like pics with the neck plate off. Servicemen have 4 big countersunk screws under the plate.

    Vibrato either has replaced locking mechanism button or is a serviceman tailpiece.

    Need to see heel of neck and the routs on the body.

    Pickups strongly point to this being a serviceman.

    Also looks like a serviceman bridge.

    May have some Fender parts, perhaps the tuners and mute, at most. Not sure about the neck.
     
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    RodeoTex Poster Extraordinaire

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    What's a serviceman?
    I've never heard that term.
     
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    radiocaster Poster Extraordinaire

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    Fake Fender guitars made in the Phillipines for US soldiers serving in Vietnam.
     
  5. AlbertaGriff

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    Yeah there are a lot of red flags on this guitar.

    Headstock/decal, neck plate (font of serial and the screws), control knobs, colour, etc.
     
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    Your bid would stand against anything I would offer.
     
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    AlbertaGriff Tele-Afflicted

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    ...also the string tree, bridge, pickups...

    I hope you didn't actually bid on this OP, no doubt in my mind it's fake.
     
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    That's clearly a serviceman guitar as has been stated before. The current bids are higher than I would ever pay for it and the buyer is probably getting duped.

    It's even missing the screw at the upper control plate most service man Jaguars miss. A great tell tale .
     
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    Yep, serviceman.
     
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    Not a pretty fake.

    Huge fan of jags, but wouldn't touch this. Teisco copies look better.
     
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    Oh no someone bought it for 2600 plus a buyers premium of 25%.
    I don't get it a 72 would have a F plate. I can only assume the buyer thought they were getting a super cheap pre CBS custom color jaguar. Boy are they going to be surprised.
     
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    Matthias Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

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    Heard of these but never seen one. They’re not bad at a glance, are they? Then you look closer and pretty much everything is very slightly wrong...
     
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    Kind of irresponsible of the auction house, don't you think?
    They advertise it as a Fender.
    I think they have some liability for selling a (quite obvious) fake.
     
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    Yeah, I saw the red flags. I didn't buy.
    It does seem crook that the auction house sells it as a Fender.
     
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    I'm curious as to the auction houses liability.
    They state:
    White's Auctions endeavors to catalogue and/or list and describe all items as accurately as possible and to assign lot numbers respectively. Items will be offered in as close to listed Lot Number as possible. Condition reports are not guaranteed and may vary in accuracy. It is the responsibility for prospective buyers to inspect the items for themselves and use their own judgement as to the authenticity, condition and/or valueof any lot offered for sale. White's Auctions makes no warrantees, whether written or verbal, as to the correctness of descriptions, genuineness or any defect of items offered for sale.

    But they obviously didn't try and establish the accuracy of the listing, If it was a 72 it would have block inlays and it wouldn't have an L series serial number, anyone could find that out with a simple google search. The odd thing is that if I were trying to pass the guitar of as real I would have listed it as pre 1965.
    But I would love to find out what the buyer thinks he has especially given how high the bid was.
     
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    1971
     
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    Definately a serviceman. I kind of love those!
     
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