Not again!! Elpee Standard to replace the one that got away.

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    Last night I cut off the end of the cutter bar and re-did the mortise more accurately for the cutter. I also flipped the cutter around and re-shaped the sharp end so it is more like a very fine chisel. I tried it on a piece of my jewelry bench armrest, and it works well, now. If I have time this weekend I will try to use it and cut the remainder of the binding rabbets and get the body all bound up (and nowhere to go).

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    It works ok as a deep scribe, but it's not a router . I ended up using it tonight, and then used my foredom with a rotary rasp to remove wood to the lines. I lost patience waiting for the Grizzly bit set. 0414192126_Burst01.jpg 0414192133a_Burst02.jpg
    My first ever body binding. Not to awfully bad, but I had to re-stick a few places. I'll make up some ABS/acetone slurry to fill a couple of spots tomorrow.
     
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    I peeled all of the tape away from the bindings, and I did have a couple of unstuck places. So, I made up a Level 2 slurry of acetone and pieces of cut binding, and filled the gaps and re-taped. I started scraping the top edges with a nice clean new single edge razor blade and have it pretty leveled to the top. Once all of the fills are dried, tomorrow, I'll scrape and sand the sides flush. The I move onto the inlays for the neck and headstock overlay. YIKES.


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    OK - Question Time: Has anyone on the fForum ever used Inkjet Toner (colors) for dyeing guitars?

    A few years ago I purchased those refillable cartridges for my Epson C4400 so I could do my engraving transfers, and lo and behold the black ink is actually dye, and will not transfer. So I assume (maybe falsely) that the colors YMR may also be dyes. With those 3 colors I think I can make just about any shade of color I might want for the guitar. What thinks you? It could mean a cost savings of $40-60, for what would be a few drops of Transtint Dyes at $20/bottle.
     
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    Like we always say, try it on scrap first.
     
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    Yeah, curious to see the results
     
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    I am going to start Chemistry 101 tonight and see if I can save a few $$$. I know India Ink will work for woodturning things to a dark shade of black, and Fiebing's Leather Dye works to go to dark black, so I feel confident that some sort of color toners (which are dyes, not inks) may get a good results. I will experiment on scraps of the mahogany and flame maple. I'll keep a notebook handy, and record my recipes and results.
     
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    10 drops yellow, 10 drops blue, 20 drops red, plus 4 more drops of yellow -> brown.
    The upper portion is straight yellow, with red on the side and faded using DNA. I think this will work!! If I seal the wood first with DNA/Super Blonde Flake Shellac mix, the use the dyes, I think the colors will be less faded and more pronounced. For this mahogany, do people pore fill with a darkened filler, squeegee off the excess, sand and with then seal, and dye?

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    Looks promising!
     
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    The mahogany I tried this on was the cutoff from the actual back I am building, so for the Brown color I think I am good to go. The Amber on Mahogany - I will need to test it on the cutoff of the flame maple to see how it responds. I think it will work. Glad I wore gloves - it would have stained my hands for days.
     
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    If you seal the wood the dye may just lay on top of the sealer.
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    Looks like that might work.

    What little I know about traditional stains comes from Roger Siminoff - Gibson would apply the stains directly to the wood before any sealing and thats what I do. I've been told by resident finishing experts that is wrong - that you should seal the wood first, but in my opinion sealing the wood prevents the stain from being absorbed. As far as the mahogany, I used to use paste fillers but have switched to finishing resin which I think both does a better job of filing and of highlighting color. Again, if I'm going to stain mahogany (and I do) its before there is anything to "seal" the wood.

    I've done a couple of threads that the Finishing subforum about resin pore fill.

    Also, I think its nice if you are doing a 'burst to wrap the dark outside color around onto the back - particularly with some of the ice tea or '59 'busts
     
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    I came back to the sample tonight, and the brown had a tinge of green to it, so I diluted the swab with DNA and re-applied some of the brown. Then I wanted to see if I applied my French Polish mix of DNA/Super Blonde Flake Shellac what will happen. The sock did take a bit of color off but it's starting to build a polish layer. I'll try some more after dinner and see if it build without pore filling. Pictures later.
     
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    @Engraver-60

    I started reading this thread and saw your reference to Pyramid Guitars. I am from the Traverse City Mi. area and back about 15 years ago I apprenticed for Tim Jagmin. He was the owner of Pyramid Guitars for a time down in Detroit. He was still building those dual rails (and may still be doing them) when I was there. He had me hold the pickup wires and ran a some steel across the rails and it gave a noticeable shock. Quite a hot pickup indeed! I think I still have a couple of parts to build one. Great guy, very generous.

    He also built the blue teardrop guitar in the pic here (I believe modified Fender bass) and on the inside cover of the "All the Worlds a Stage" album. Tim showed me a picture of it and him when it was delivered.


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    Anyhow, Enjoying the build and enjoyed the reference to Pyramid.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled post...

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    I tried to text Tim, but got no response. I will try to replicate the dual rails when I get to the KEEPER. SCRAP PAUL is what I am working on now, so I am a good ways away from the Real Deal. If you can contact Tim for me, let him know I am interested in the Bridge Dual Rail for the KEEPER, Or if you have enough parts and can separate yourself from them, I may be willing to learn how to wind them. I do have a great wood lathe that can be used (I believe) to wind pickups.
    Those were some killer pickups that he made. The test guitar in the store had 3 dual rails setup like an LP Custom, and he said to play a steel slide and let it go - it just hovered over the pickups by itself. MAGLEV.
     
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    BTW - I mixed up a small batch of Garnet Flake Shellac (from my hand engraving side of the bench) and DNA. I will try to use some of that on the sample piece to see if and how it imparts a tint.
     
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