Noob in need of wiring help clone HS offset limited tele

[onehorse]

Hello, Wondering if someone(s) might be able to help me with an offset tele I'm building for my daughter? It is my first build and for the most part, going well. I'm competent with a soldering iron and can follow a diagram.

I'm attempting to "clone" a Make'n Music limited FSR offset telecaster. ( See link to guitar below.)
I've reached out to Fender and Make N music and scoured the internet, wiring sites and the forums here. No luck. Not surprised as they only made 50 of them. I also looked through all of Fender's service diagrams for SH Teles.

The specs as l understand them..... a "splittable" 4 conductor custom Shawbucker in the neck ( I'm subbing a Fender double tap ) and I'm aware a split and a tap are different.
single coil in the bridge with a 3 way switch.

Fender advertises " custom wiring " which they achieve using a dual split shaft master volume 500/250k pot and a S1 switch. I have both. as well as push pull pots for a possible substitution ( push pull is more discreet and seems more durable and simple to me?)
Note in this case, the dual value master volume pot is not the concentric stacked pot with separate knobs.

I know there are a number of ways to accomplish splitting / tapping and matching the pot values to their respective pickups / outputs. I'd like to keep it as close to the original specs / functionality and parts as possible. What can I say? I've never been great about disappointing my daughter. Also, at this point the whole thing has taken on a Quixotic type quest.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, in advance. J










https://www.makenmusic.com/pages/fender-limited-edition-offset-telecaster-fsr

 

[Peegoo]

Look here.

Just swap the pickups' locations and how their 'hots' connect to the 3-way switch, and you're good to go.

 

[onehorse]

Hi, Thanks for the quick reply. Oddly enough that's how I have it wired currently. It works, but wanted to try and "clone" the guitar she wants.

 

[Peegoo]

Well then the way to do it would be to use that diagram above, but instead of sending the pickups' hots to the switch, you send each hot to its own volume pot first. Then the output of each pot goes to the appropriate lug on the switch.

 

[onehorse]

Thanks, appreciate the follow up. Would I then have two hots or a jumper for the output jack? It seems to me a jumper would defeat the purpose of different value volume pots?

 

[Peegoo]

You'd have the pickups' two hots going to the double volume pot (tab 3 on each pot) and two hots going to the 3-way switch from tab 2 on each pot.

The 3-way switch's output (that you see running to the tone pot in the diagram) needs a jumper from tab 1 on the tone pot that runs to the tip contact on the output jack.

Here's how pot tabs are numbered...think about making a "3' sign with your fingers; the back of your hand is the back of the pot:

 

[onehorse]

Hi, thanks, appreciate it. Just to clarify, that's a jumper between tabs 1 and 2 on the tone pot? Thanks again.

 

[Telekarster]

Welcome man!!! Looks like you gettin' some good advice already! Post some pics of it when you get a chance We love pics out here

 

[Peegoo]

Hi, thanks, appreciate it. Just to clarify, that's a jumper between tabs 1 and 2 on the tone pot? Thanks again.

No, a jumper from tab 1 on the tone pot to the output jack's center/tip contact.

All the info you need is in this thread, but I can draw you a diagram to simplify it. That has to wait until tomorrow morning because I am off to work to go build guitars

Unless, of course, one of our intrepid Wiring Godz would like to have a go at the diagram. I'm not a gatekeeper!

 

[onehorse]

Thanks, here you go....... took a little ( a lot ) liberty with color and gave it a little relic. In some ways thought it would be more interesting to make it look like an off brand, vintage Japanese guitar but wanted to try and be true to the specs of the innards.

MJT body and neck. Fender Double tap in the neck, Rio Grande tall boy in the bridge, compensated brass saddles.

 

[onehorse]

No, a jumper from tab 1 on the tone pot to the output jack's center/tip contact.

All the info you need is in this thread, but I can draw you a diagram to simplify it. That has to wait until tomorrow morning because I am off to work to go build guitars

Unless, of course, one of our intrepid Wiring Godz would like to have a go at the diagram. I'm not a gatekeeper!

Thanks, Have a good day.

 

[Lowerleftcoast]

@Peegoo can confirm but I think this is what he is suggesting.


The orange dots are the 500K pot terminals.
(As with the first layout of this diagram, the humbucker will be the neck position and the pickup selector switch will have to be adjusted for your guitar.)

 

[onehorse]

@Peegoo can confirm but I think this is what he is suggesting.

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The orange dots are the 500K pot terminals.
(As with the first layout of this diagram, the humbucker will be the neck position and the pickup selector switch will have to be adjusted for your guitar.)

Hi, thanks, in my attempt to "clone" this particular guitar, the push pull is used for the tone and splitting ( tapping )
The stacked 500/250k pot a master volume for both the pickups. ( see pics )

Sorry for the continued cluelessness, between the reversing of positions, the difference between Fender and SD wires and switch differences, I'm still a bit ( lot ) lost. I'm just not up to speed on the semi abstract thinking that wiring mods require.

 

[Peegoo]

@Peegoo can confirm but I think this is what he is suggesting.

yes sir, that looks correct. But use straighter wires

 

[Lowerleftcoast]

For me the middle position of a tele is important. You do understand the *Make'n Music limited FSR* has both the 500K and 250K pots in the circuit when choosing the middle position. Even with full volume the pickups ill *see* ~167K to ground which will take away some high frequencies. That is not something I would be interested in. I would rather deal with the 500K pot or the 250K pot alone. OMMV. Maybe two push pull pots could be used to reduce the 500K pot to 250K when desired???

 

[Peegoo]

Or install a passive treble bypass, tuned to your liking.

 

[Lowerleftcoast]

But use straighter wires

But I get my wire from old computers.

 

[onehorse]

But I get my wire from old computers.

Me too, the mass of unused USB cables I and everyone else has can be scavenged to extend the short leads on a 4 conductor Humbucker, most are shielded with a bare ground.

 

[moosie]

Here ya go, unless I missed a requirement... Showing it with a push-pull. Unless you really like the push-push action, an S1 is way overkill for a simple coil split / tap. Humbucker colors are Duncan. I didn't look up the Fender Double Tap. If I recall, that concentric pot is hard to find, and is only available as a Strat (splined shaft) pot. I think Darren Riley has them, and you can use those little brass collars to emulate a solid shaft pot, and fit a set screw Tele knob.

 

[onehorse]

Here ya go, unless I missed a requirement... Showing it with a push-pull. Unless you really like the push-push action, an S1 is way overkill for a simple coil split / tap. Humbucker colors are Duncan. I didn't look up the Fender Double Tap. If I recall, that concentric pot is hard to find, and is only available as a Strat (splined shaft) pot. I think Darren Riley has them, and you can use those little brass collars to emulate a solid shaft pot, and fit a set screw Tele knob.


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Thanks very much for the thoughtful response and the schematic. Thanks to the others that helped, much obliged.

I have the stacked pot, EBay. Agreed S1 overkill, doesn't feel as durable and looks a little odd.

Gotta love that guitar stencil project.