Non Tele guitar identification, and a big story

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The first 3 photos here, what archtop make is this? (Before the Gibson)
This is my first music teacher-1964-5,before my guitar playing days, I was 9 and 10. He was Don Galvan, the Singing Troubador and also was billed as the Banjo Boy born in Mexico City.
He played the Majestic in San Antonio opening for Jimmie Rodgers, was featured on a number of Britain’s Pathe films in 1937 (available on YouTube), dated one of the famous Hilton sisters (pictured-English conjoined twins who performed as a musical, singing, dancing duo). I’ve seen his picture also in an article from a 1991 issue of Vintage Guitar magazine, an article on the Gibson SJ200, he was pictured in an old Gibson advertisement of famous guitarists that played the SJ200 like Ray Whitley, except Don is holding what looks like a Gibson L5.
I took lessons from him on plectrum banjo and my Dad on mandolin backstage of Knott’s Berry Farm Bird Cage Theater. He mostly played tenor banjo and sang. He would often take me onstage with him to perform at the theater or outside on the stages. He was maybe 75 then and never mentioned his past career.
sidenote: i would sit backstage and wait for my Dad along with the melodrama theater actors, the leading man actor who also played banjo and would sit and play between-shows, he taught me to pick my first bluegrass tunes, it was a unfamous 20 year old Steve Martin.
 

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Welcome to TDPRI. I can't identify the guitar in the photos. The head stock inlay looks familiar but I just can't place it. Are there any other identifiers on the body or are these the only pictures you have. Sometimes a picture picks up a lable inside the body seen through the F holes.
 

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Looks like a National brand...most probably a custom order. National used Gibson-made bodies on a few of their models.
 
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Wow- I’m impressed, you guys nailed it perfectly. I would have never even given Slingerland a thought. There were so many companies making arch tops like Vega and Weymann. Every Father’s Day week I go to the big Weiser (Idaho/Stickerville), camp and play music all day- it’s largely working musicians and it puts you on your toes and all manor of acoustic music is played. There’s a number of old arch tops that show- what a pleasant thing to see a 50’s blonde Epiphone Emperor or Deluxe.

Thanks guys!
 

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That was actually made in USA by National. They made a lot of off-brand names back in the day before making it big with their electric models. Most people don't know that they were makers of Kay, Harmony, and the like when they were in their hey-day. The same basic principals of construction were all across the board back then as there weren't the multitudes of imitators and overseas counterfeitters and copies as there are today. Slingerland like Silvertone only existed in name - not in actual brick and mortar buildings and factories.
 

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That was actually made in USA by National. They made a lot of off-brand names back in the day before making it big with their electric models. Most people don't know that they were makers of Kay, Harmony, and the like when they were in their hey-day. The same basic principals of construction were all across the board back then as there weren't the multitudes of imitators and overseas counterfeitters and copies as there are today. Slingerland like Silvertone only existed in name - not in actual brick and mortar buildings and factories.
You got your facts seriously mixed up!

National doesn't have anything to do with Harmony and Kay, other than being produced in Chicago.

National originally just produced resonator guitars in Los Angeles, but from the 1940s, National was just one of the many labels (along with Supro, Oahu, Airline, and others) that Valco used for lap steels and electric guitars.

Kay and Harmony were both independent companies, business rivals, also based in Chicago, and both of them produced guitars under a wide variety of brand names (Silvertone, Stella, Oscar Schmidt, Old Kraftsman, etc), for various department stores.

The only connection between these brands and National is, that National's parent company, Valco, built amps for Harmony, Kay, and their sub-brands - but not guitars! Oh, and Valco bought Kay in the late 1960s.

Now, all of this doesn't have anything to do with the OP's guitar: That one wasn't built by any of the companies mentioned before, but by Regal - Regal was founded in Indianapolis, was later bought by Lyon & Healy (yet another big Chicago-based instrument manufacturer - Washburn was their most famous brand), and in the 1950s bought by Harmony.
Regal built guitars under their own name, but also for other brands, but they also sold guitar parts, particularly bodies, to other companies. Regal made most of the bodies for Dobro and National resonator guitars (that is the only National connection here!)

Back to the OP's Slingerland guitar: That company, out of Kalamazoo, MI, today mostly famous for their drums, also produced or marketed many other instruments, like harps, banjos, violins - and guitars; and in the 1930s, most of the Slingerland guitars were made for them by Regal.

So, there we have it:
This is a Slingerland guitar, made by Regal, which was owned by Lyon & Healy in Chicago.

As for National - nope, they absolutely did not build this archtop - at the time this Slingerland was built, the mid '30s, National had just merged with Dobro, and was building mostly resonator guitars (using bodies also supplied by Regal), and some electric guitars (mostly lap steels). They were moving from LA to Chicago, but weren't part of the Valco conglomerate yet, since that was only founded in 1940.
 

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I would love to know where and who you got your information from. Most of these companies didn't exist except on paper.
 

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There are plenty of websites, forums, FB groups, etc. out there (as well as books) that deal with the entangled, complicated history of these brands!



https://www.facebook.com/groups/harmonyguitars/?ref=share





These just for starters, there's plenty more!
 

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BTW, Harmony (once the biggest manufacturer of musical instruments in the USA), Kay, Slingerland, Lyon & Healy most certainly existed "in real life", with their own workshops and factories (just like Gibson, Gretsch, Epiphone, Fender, Martin,...)
National existed only for a short time as a real company - 1928 to 1940, after that it only existed "on paper", as one of many Valco-owned brands.
Yes, there were a large number of brands that only existed "on paper" - Silvertone, Airline, Kalamazoo, Old Kraftsman, and numerous others - all of those were made by Kay, Harmony, Gibson, Valco, or Lyon & Healy, most certainly not by National, which was never "big" outside the resonator world.
 
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Forgot to mention another great source of info:

Jake is a luthier specialising in repairing these guitars - and an expert about their history.

Deke Dickerson has two great books about guitar collecting, with lots of info, but I think those are out of print.
 
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