No... I DO NOT want to add a tip!

[rcole_sooner]

Do you refill your own drink at the buffet too?

 

[CharlieO]

And I don’t want to round up to donate money to any cause.

I refuse to do that. I always wonder if the business takes your money, donates it, and takes the tax deduction.

 

[CharlieO]

I’m going to go an inch out onto a brittle limb and state declaratively that 90% of the folks here who are ant-tip have never been in a traditionally tip-reliant service sector job.

So for all the harrumphers - Let’s say we eliminate all tipping.

Now , what should waiters/waitresses/servers make for a mandatory minimum? What is going to be their “living wage” ?

You do realize that the average server at Applebee’s or TGIFridays makes far, far less than a fine dining server in downtown Chicago/Manhattan/Los Angeles/Atlanta/Miami ?

And the reason for that?

Two reasons - “check average” and level of service.

What do you think the average two top/deuce spends for drinks/app/dinner at Applebees ? $60-$70 bucks at the most.

At La ChiChi in downtown NYC ? $200-$250.

So both of the servers at those two different restaurants should make the same hourly wage? When the level of service required at Applebee’s is virtually nothing compared to the fine dining establishment ?

The Applebee’s gig is so easy in comparison, that literally anybody could do it.

Two shifts in training and you’re all set for your exciting career bringing out a ****ing blooming onion. Or wherever they serve those things.

So anti-tipping zealots, wade into the most traditional of all tipping occupations, and tell me -

what should the non-tipping “living wage“ be?

Do the Applebee’s servers get a huge bump up in hourly or do the people that put up with the most crap and work the hardest get a gigantic pay cut?

The answer to this is too easy, and you should be able to figure it out yourself. The MINIMUM wage for servers at any restaurant should be the same as it is for any other job (much higher than the current legal minimum wage, in my opinion). If the wait staff at LaChiChi must be more skilled than the wait staff at TGIFriday's or Applebee's, then La ChiChi should pay their wait staff far more than Applebee's does. They should pay what is required to get the quality of employee that they need. If tipping is eliminated it does not mean that anyone is going to get "a gigantic pay cut," but it is possible that some servers (most likely those at La ChiChi) will no longer be ridiculously overpaid.

And seriously, which servers do you honestly believe put up with the most crap? Having known and/or dated numerous servers in both high end and fast casual establishments, I think I can safely say that it's the ones at Applebees and TGIFriday's, not at "La ChiChi."

 

[getbent]

I probably should. I get espresso, so it’s not like I can get it at our local gas station. But I could have bought an espresso machine for home several times over by what I’ve spent at Starbucks in the past year.

I drive thru at Starbucks occasionally. I use the app on my phone, no real opportunity to tip! bwahahahahahahahhaha I have defeated the evil tip request!

 

[getbent]

I’m going to go an inch out onto a brittle limb and state declaratively that 90% of the folks here who are ant-tip have never been in a traditionally tip-reliant service sector job.

So for all the harrumphers - Let’s say we eliminate all tipping.

Now , what should waiters/waitresses/servers make for a mandatory minimum? What is going to be their “living wage” ?

You do realize that the average server at Applebee’s or TGIFridays makes far, far less than a fine dining server in downtown Chicago/Manhattan/Los Angeles/Atlanta/Miami ?

And the reason for that?

Two reasons - “check average” and level of service.

What do you think the average two top/deuce spends for drinks/app/dinner at Applebees ? $60-$70 bucks at the most.

At La ChiChi in downtown NYC ? $200-$250.

So both of the servers at those two different restaurants should make the same hourly wage? When the level of service required at Applebee’s is virtually nothing compared to the fine dining establishment ?

The Applebee’s gig is so easy in comparison, that literally anybody could do it.

Two shifts in training and you’re all set for your exciting career bringing out a ****ing blooming onion. Or wherever they serve those things.

So anti-tipping zealots, wade into the most traditional of all tipping occupations, and tell me -

what should the non-tipping “living wage“ be?

Do the Applebee’s servers get a huge bump up in hourly or do the people that put up with the most crap and work the hardest get a gigantic pay cut?

first, I am a generous tipper. Probably too generous in some cases. We go, a few times a year, to really great, great places to eat that are quite costy. It is a huge treat for us, we love food and we love being served by people who are fantastic at it.

There is a relativity to all of it. When we go to our favorite bar (a corner bar type place) I always tip way way over. I love the place and the people, I can afford it and I do afford it. At the fancy places, our bill might be 5-600, 20% is a squier, right? Either budget for that experience or don't. (my opinion)

I don't go to places like applebee's. Black Bear Diner would be the closest type of chain that we'd go to and when I go, unless something egregious happens, 20% is the norm.

At some of our favorite mexican food places, we'll get a bill that is crazy inexpensive and sometimes I'll tip the amount of the bill.

I don't tip at starbucks. I do tip when I get takeout at Giorgios as the counter people totally hook you up and hustle like crazy (with extras and expediting even with long lines)... these folks make a lot less than I do. I don't feel guilty for having money at all. I waited tables, cooked, washed dishes etc. I know that while tips are important, the workers aren't eyeballin' my tip either, but, I also remember going to clear a table and looking at the bill and seeing someone hooked me up with a great tip is a nice, temporary shot of 'YAY'... and that is my goal.

People who decry how different countries do their customs... man, what a lonely pursuit! Wherever we travel, we find out how the local folks do it and we follow suit... my goal is to fit in and have fun and be understood based on the local customs...

 

[AmpHandle]

Tip a bartender sure if there efficient, tip a retail fast food worker? you have to be nuts.

 

[tomasz]

And I don’t want to round up to donate money to any cause.

The most disturbing question I got from a Shell cashier, asking I would like to round up towards shells environmental fund. Are you kidding me? No way I'm gonna pay for the problems you are causing, that should be deducted from the gains they are making. Stopped tanking there.

 

[CharlieO]

I also love this one… “Will you be needing any change?”
I’m… yes, I’m at a buffet, I served myself… the only thing I didn’t do is charge myself!

The "Will you be needing any change" thing gets me when the bill including my intended 20 percent tip comes to around $41 or $42 and I give them $60. "Will you be needing any change" automatically reduces their tip by a few dollars. When the server picks up the check with payment, their comment should be "I will be right back with your change."

 

[CharlieO]

Why are you even patronizing Starbucks? By doing so, you're implicitly condoning their card reader tipping scheme.

I've boycotted Starbucks for years now. I'd rather get a coffee at a Kwik Trip store than give Starbucks my business.

I patronize Starbucks because they are convenient, and because they provide a lot of jobs that might not exist without them. And I tip because unfortunately our American culture allows Starbucks and other companies to get away with paying low wages.

Oh, and I patronize Starbucks because I have made enough money on their stock to pay for all the coffee I could possibly drink for the next 20 years or so.

 

[teletail]

I refuse to do that. I always wonder if the business takes your money, donates it, and takes the tax deduction.

I don't trust a store as far as I can throw it.

 

[BigDaddyLH]

I’m going to go an inch out onto a brittle limb and state declaratively that 90% of the folks here who are ant-tip have never been in a traditionally tip-reliant service sector job.

So for all the harrumphers - Let’s say we eliminate all tipping.

Now , what should waiters/waitresses/servers make for a mandatory minimum? What is going to be their “living wage” ?

You do realize that the average server at Applebee’s or TGIFridays makes far, far less than a fine dining server in downtown Chicago/Manhattan/Los Angeles/Atlanta/Miami ?

And the reason for that?

Two reasons - “check average” and level of service.

What do you think the average two top/deuce spends for drinks/app/dinner at Applebees ? $60-$70 bucks at the most.

At La ChiChi in downtown NYC ? $200-$250.

So both of the servers at those two different restaurants should make the same hourly wage? When the level of service required at Applebee’s is virtually nothing compared to the fine dining establishment ?

The Applebee’s gig is so easy in comparison, that literally anybody could do it.

Two shifts in training and you’re all set for your exciting career bringing out a ****ing blooming onion. Or wherever they serve those things.

So anti-tipping zealots, wade into the most traditional of all tipping occupations, and tell me -

what should the non-tipping “living wage“ be?

Do the Applebee’s servers get a huge bump up in hourly or do the people that put up with the most crap and work the hardest get a gigantic pay cut?

Just ask these same questions but locate your enquiry in a country that doesn't do tipping. You seem to be so used to living in the USofA then you don't seem to be able to conceive of things that are quite commonplace in most of the world.

 

[jkingma]

I get a delivery to my house every Tuesday afternoon. They send me a text message with a delivery window of about an hour and a half. Last week the text included a web link that said "click here if you would like to tip your delivery driver".

 

[THX1123]

I didn't miss tipping one bit the times I've lived outside the USA.

I provide several comments a week and I never ask for a tip.

Please visit my Patreon at the link below

 

[sloppychops]

I patronize Starbucks because they are convenient, and because they provide a lot of jobs that might not exist without them. And I tip because unfortunately our American culture allows Starbucks and other companies to get away with paying low wages.

Oh, and I patronize Starbucks because I have made enough money on their stock to pay for all the coffee I could possibly drink for the next 20 years or so.

I'm sure there are plenty of other coffee joints where you live, probably independent shops. But if you like Starbucks, I get it. And being a shareholder with significant gains is another good reason to patronize them. I've watched the stock for years and thought about buying multiple times, but never pulled the trigger because I can't fathom how much longer people are going to pay their ridiculous prices for coffee and pastries.

I don't care for Starbucks coffee because it's too strong, and I won't become a shareholder for the same reasons I won't invest in DIS or NFLX.

 

[Red Ryder]

If you are a working musician, you probably should be able to figure out that those band members are being UNDERPAID for that four hour gig. As a former booking agent, I am well aware that most musicians who are playing today are earning the same money or less than they were paid 40 years ago. In places where there is no cover charge and I know for certain that the band can’t possibly be paid enough, I ALWAYS tip $5 or more and my wife does the same. And I make sure to be quite visible to the rest of the audience when I do it, to plant the idea that they should be doing the same.

I also will use my judgement when there is a cover charge. If I know or have a good idea that the band is taking the door receipts and the place is packed, I might not tip. If the place is not crowded, I’ll toss some money in the tip jar. This rule does not apply, however, if the band stinks. They’re just taking a gig away from musicians who deserve it.

I know the bands don't make much nowadays. Years ago places were packed and the cover charge made the musicians a good living. Not so anymore. If you don't have a regular job you starve. What I said was half joking but a sad reality.

 

[BigDaddyLH]

I don't care for Starbucks coffee because it's too strong, and I won't become a shareholder for the same reasons I won't invest in DIS or NFLX.

That's a party pretzel: what do Starbucks, Disney and NetFlix have in common?

 

[Preacher]

my daughters both drove for Door Dash.

Just so you know, delivery drivers are not paid hourly and they really live on the tips.

My daughter mentioned yesterday at the SB party that she had delivered for a couple of hours before the party and made about $12 an hour (not counting wear and tear and gas in her car). She was delivering in a different city than normal and mentioned that the people in that city don't tip well.
We were kind of shocked and then she relayed the story.

She got a delivery from Seven 11 (the convienance store) to a house about six miles away. They ordered a lot of snacky foods probably for the big game. The total came to like $25 with the delivery charge. When she delivered it the guy gave her a dollar tip.
Now I understand that funds are tight, but if you don't want to drive, bike, or walk to the 7-11 for snacks then at least tip the person who got out and brought it to your door.

 

[getbent]

not to combine threads but... the last few years we gigged, we played a lot of biker type bars and we always made more in tips than we did from the house.....

 

[Oxidao]

I am quite happy with the state taking 40% of my salary as Taxes to support Public Services (Med Care, etc). I am quite happy transferring a monthly donation to a certain organization I feel they are doing a good job in my society. I am quite happy tipping the Ryder delivering my food.
I am quite happy overtipping in a Restaurant when I am pleased for whatever reason. Etc, etc.

I am not happy with others relying on me, for their employers to have a worthy living wage, and trying to make me responsable if the contrary. I don't buy it.
I need a reason to be generous, and there is a lot, but I want that to be MY choice.

 

[getbent]

I am quite happy with the state taking 40% of my salary as Taxes to support Public Services (Med Care, etc). I am quite happy transferring a monthly donation to a certain organization I feel they are doing a good job in my society. I am quite happy tipping the Ryder delivering my food.
I am quite happy overtipping in a Restaurant when I am pleased for whatever reason. Etc, etc.

I am not happy with others relying on me, for their employers to have a worthy living wage, and trying to make me responsable if the contrary. I don't buy it.
I need a reason to be generous, and there is a lot, but I want that to be MY choice.

yeah, the dudes who don't want to tip in this thread... wait till you hear how they feel about your tax rate! ha ha! oh man!