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No Denatured Alcohol in California, anything else?

Discussion in 'Finely Finished' started by PrescottRX, Apr 9, 2021.

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  1. NoTeleBob

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    FYI - Denatured alcohol is the same as the stuff you drink - give or take the proof. The "denaturing" part simply adds something that make it distasteful and/or vomit inducing.

    If you want 100% alcohol (I don't think denatured is), use moonshine.
     
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  2. sleazy pot pie

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    As posted above, everclear is what you want.
    Might be listed as PGA pure grain alcohol
    It’s something like 190 proof
     
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    This. Denatured alcohol is just grain alcohol that has been "spiked" to make it un-drinkable, because there are legit scientific uses for grain alcohol, but the powers that be didn't want research labs to be a source of cheap hooch, and so de-natured alcohol was born. Yeah, it's more expensive, but if you insist on the 'real thing', well, there ya go. There are other solvents just as suitable as detailed by others, so do a little research and I think you'll be fine.

    As for the other part of your question, some folks (myself included) dig Tru-Oil for a nice thin finish that's dead easy to deal with, but you can't get that in California either. The manufacturer won't send it to you either, because at some point he tried to play CA's little regulatory game and got royally fed up in the process.
     
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    Like the answer to so many problems Cali has solved... to avoid wood grain alcohol, ban denatured alcohol, and use moonshine...
     
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    I buy 190 proof ethanol at the liquor store. There is some discussion that the denaturing agents in DNA can cause problems with your FP, the 5 percent water in the everclear doesn't hurt anything.
     
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    EverClear and some other "PGA's" sometimes come in two different strengths.

    Get the good stuff - the 190 proof (95% pure alcohol) for best results.

    The other stuff is 160 or 165 proof.

    My local liquor store does not display it on the shelf - you have to ask for it.

    I asked why they keep it in in the back store room and not on the shelf, and was told "because it's dangerous" ;).


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    Im just glad you had the power on long enough to post that.
     
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    Thank you. I’m just glad you also had power on long enough, and permission, to post that....
     
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    Please tell your guy, to tell your guy, to tell your guy to stay out of my state.
    LOCALS ONLY!!!
     
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    I wonder if there would be any tonal difference between a Moonshine shellac, a Grappa shellac, a good aged Scotch shellac or a southern OP Bourbon shellac?...:D
     
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    And if you are concerned that using everclear sounds off the wall, it really is not. Some people do for choice even if they have no problem getting denatured.
     
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    Shouldn’t regular rubbing alcohol work the same?

    Denaturing makes it unfit for human consumption and distillers only do it so they won’t have to pay the extra taxes on liquor that’s not a bad idea to drink.
     
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    Wouldn’t moonshine vary by how the distiller makes it? It’s harsh because it isn’t aged more so than because it’s strong.
     
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    When I saw the olive oil, the scale, at at first glance the shellac looked like chicken, I thought you were posting a way to remain 'spirited' while eating healthy.
    Cute pup, stinks that I'm not welcome. Can I see the Grand Canyon if I come in from the Nevada side?
    You got great taste
     
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    I just bought a gallon can of denatured alcohol at Lowe's for $16 I think. Why would it be banned?
     
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    AFAIK, Everclear has not been legal to sell in California for half a century. I would say drive over to Arizona for both denatured alcohol and a pint of Everclear for medicinal reasons. As long as you don't bring back apples and oranges, you should get back in.;):lol:
     
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    I don't get it myself, but the googlefu shows that denatured alcohol, naphtha, mineral spirits, tung oil, tru oil, and others are all banned in California.
     
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    It's harsh because most people allow so much methanol into the final product that you get sideways drinking it. The posts are a joke - if they've ever really had moonshine - it's usually 100-120 proof.

    I've used 90%+ rubbing alcohol to thin shellac before and it seemed to work fine. As said earlier, they add something to it - I don't know if it just makes it taste bad or will actually kill you. I know they did that a long time ago during prohibition. It all comes down to taxes. Distilled spirits for consumption are taxed $27 per gallon of pure alcohol produced. So, my $16 can of denatured alcohol comes in at $11 below the tax rate if it was consumable.

    Ironically, from the CA Air Resources Board website:
    Do the new amendments require more ethanol?
    No, ethanol is not required under either the current or the amended regulation. However, increasing ethanol from 5.7 percent to 10 percent can help mitigate permeation emissions under the amended Predictive Model.


    So, it's good if you burn it, but bad if you thin shellac?
     
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