NMD: Sonicake Pocket Master

  • Thread starter Blrfl
  • Start date
  • This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links like Ebay, Amazon, and others.

Blrfl

Friend of Leo's
Joined
May 3, 2018
Posts
3,976
Location
Northern Virginia
I've long said that if you want to know what technology has become cheap, look in the toy aisle. So it goes with modelers. Here's a look at the Sonicake Pocket Master.

Origins: I'm 99% sure the Pocket Master shares DNA with products made by Hotone and Valeton, as both share a building with Sonicake. One hallmark of all three brands is the ISP Decimator noise gate model which, based on my experience with the Hotone Ampero MP-100, is pretty well-behaved. The Pocket Master models share some descriptions with the other brands and the software exports patches into the same .prst files.

The Thing: It's a bit bigger than a deck of cards. The housing and bottom panel are plastic (feels like ABS) and build quality seems decent. The package includes a clip that screws onto the bottom for attaching to your belt or strap. I didn't get the USB cable that others seem to be getting, which is fine because I don't need another. The photos in the FCC filings aren't clear enough for me to get an idea what's under the hood, so that'll have to wait until I've had it awhile and have a peek.

User Interface: Minimal: one pressable rotary encoder and two rubber stomp buttons. It's surprisingly-quick to navigate with just that. After unpacking, upgrading the firmware and maybe ten minutes exploring, the four standard patches that I put together for any new modeler went together in about 40 minutes, two on the unit and two using the app. Something that tripped me up is that what the manual calls "pressing" on the buttons really means a short click as you would on a mouse. Holding them does nothing except from the main screen, where it brings up the looper.

Apps: Sonicake provides Windows and macOS programs for upgrading the firmware, loading IRs and NAM profiles and managing patches (import, export, copy, paste) but not editing. There are mobile applications for Android and iOS for editing patches and all of the functions of the computer app except firmware upgrades. Everything works well and seems reasonably polished. There are no accounts to sign up for and no dependence on anybody's cloud service for importing and exporting patches. (looking at you, Fender).

Effects: There are 48 effects in six categories, 20 amps, 5 user NAM profile slots, 15 cabinets and 5 user IR slots. The drive, amp, IR ad EQ blocks are in a single group that has to stay together in that order, as shown in the picture below. Everything else can be moved anywhere except inside the drive/amp/IR/EQ group.

1750587849057.png


The models are better than they should be at this price point, but parts bin products often get the benefit of software developed for more-expensive products at basically no cost. A lot of it feels very Hotone-ish based on my experience with the MP-100. Some of the modulation effects could be better, but most everything I've tried so far has been serviceable. One thing that lets the Pocket Master down is the lack of a high cut parameter in the IR block. That makes a huge difference, and I'm going to badger Sonicake about adding it.

The presets start of with a bang and taper off to a whimper. Develop your own.

NAM: It works and shows some promise. I downloaded a handful of Fender Twin profiles from Tone 3000 (formerly Tonehunt) and they ranged from serviceable to meh. Profiles are supposed to be 48 kHz and this is a 44.1 kHz system and I have no idea what they're doing under the hood to make that work. Very important: When running a NAM profile, the IR block doesn't do anything even though the software allows it to be turned on and an IR selected (that's a bug). That means any profile must be of an entire rig with the speaker. Head-only profiles are no bueno.

I/O: The USB port is class-compliant for audio and MIDI. (Since @Alamo asked in the other thread, it works fine with Fender Studio.) Bluetooth works for both as well but doesn't remember its full state between power-ups and won't auto-pair the audio with your phone. I got my Boss FS-1-WL set up to spit MIDI at it for something I don't mind stomping on; that has to be re-paired each time, too. That means more steps to set up when you use it.

Other Stuff: There's a looper with a very-short maximum loop time of 20 seconds. Audio is 24-bits at 44.1 kHz, which is typical for this stuff; the Boss Katana:GO and NUX Mighty Plug Pro do 32 bits at 48 kHz. EDIT: There's also a drum machine, although the only patterns you can get at from the front panel are the metronomes.

So What Do I think? The Pocket Master is probably the best sub-$100 multi-effects there is right now. Definitely worth $65, but don't buy one as a cheap substitue for a more-expensive product. I've had a bunch of fun with it over the last couple of days and have good versions of my standard four patches. The Mighty Plug Pro is a better product sound-wise but requires a mobile app and is also twice the price. The Pocket Master probably won't end up in my travel kit because headphone lumps (Mustang Micro, Mighty Plug) are so much smaller and don't require carrying a bulky 1/4" cable. But close to 100% of this thing can be operated right from the front panel, which is worth something. And it's fun to contemplate that wat you're holding in your hand would have been impossible 20 years ago at the price point.
 

Attachments

  • 1750510733537.png
    1750510733537.png
    263.9 KB · Views: 24
Last edited:

bowman

Poster Extraordinaire
Joined
Sep 15, 2006
Posts
5,372
Location
Massachusetts
I just got mine yesterday. I haven’t opened the carton yet, but as soon as the heat in my upstairs music room eases a bit, I’ll give it a run-through. Two or three days, probably. Like so many other things, I could live happily ever after without this thing, but the low price and huge array of stuff they crammed into it made it worth trying. I’ll probably put it in my acoustic gig bag for an easy traveling setup.
 

Alamo

Doctor of Teleocity
Joined
Nov 15, 2006
Posts
13,907
Age
67
Location
Berlin
I got mine yesterday and played around a bit. nice, right out of the box but does need some tweaking.
got the firmware and software for Pc and Android phone installed...after some head scratching.
Bluetooth audio works on the phone but I can't get the other BT connection for editor/manager running. that's essential for tweaking.
its hot around here, so that doesn't help much for trouble shooting.
 

Blrfl

Friend of Leo's
Joined
May 3, 2018
Posts
3,976
Location
Northern Virginia
Bluetooth audio works on the phone but I can't get the other BT connection for editor/manager running. that's essential for tweaking.

If it's any help, you don't need to pair the phone with it even if you see it on the list of available devices. Just open SonicLink, okay the permissions it wants and it will connect automagically.

I just checked, and if the phone is paired, SonicLink won't find it.
 

Alamo

Doctor of Teleocity
Joined
Nov 15, 2006
Posts
13,907
Age
67
Location
Berlin
If it's any help, you don't need to pair the phone with it even if you see it on the list of available devices. Just open SonicLink, okay the permissions it wants and it will connect automagically.

I just checked, and if the phone is paired, SonicLink won't find it.
Well that worked :) After removing BLE on the list of available devices...
a new day, with good hints and some encouragement -- thanks a lot
 

Alamo

Doctor of Teleocity
Joined
Nov 15, 2006
Posts
13,907
Age
67
Location
Berlin
About those NAM files from tone3000,
after downloading, do you unzip them first before importing them?
...and from the Pc or phone?

scratching head once again
 

Alamo

Doctor of Teleocity
Joined
Nov 15, 2006
Posts
13,907
Age
67
Location
Berlin
I think I have it.
unzip on computer, open Sonicake Manager ->Clone manager -> import
to the device connected via USB

lets see how it sounds, lol
 

Blrfl

Friend of Leo's
Joined
May 3, 2018
Posts
3,976
Location
Northern Virginia
About those NAM files from tone3000,
after downloading, do you unzip them first before importing them?

Tone3000 gives you two ways to download profiles. If you click the blue download button at the top of the page, you get a zip file with every profile in the set, even if there's only one. Unpacking that gets you to the .nam file(s) inside. Further down the page is a list of the individual profiles. The download links for those get you a single .nam file that you can import.

...and from the Pc or phone?

Either one. I keep IRs (and now NAMs, since this is the first device I have that uses them) on a computer so I have copies in case I need to re-import them later, so it makes sense to use the computer.
 

Alamo

Doctor of Teleocity
Joined
Nov 15, 2006
Posts
13,907
Age
67
Location
Berlin
^^Gotcha
now where do I find the amps on the device?
 

Blrfl

Friend of Leo's
Joined
May 3, 2018
Posts
3,976
Location
Northern Virginia
now where do I find the amps on the device?

Mine isn't within reach, but there's a parameter in the Amp block that I think is called Mode. The Basic setting does the built-in amps and the other setting (forget what it says) is for the NAM profiles. If you find any that are good, post up.

One thing: There's a bug in the software (might just be the mobile app; haven't checked on the unit itself) where it looks like you can still do things with the IR block when the Amp block is in NAM mode. You can't.

1751390791307.png
 

Dontownatele

Tele-Meister
Joined
Nov 18, 2024
Posts
346
Age
45
Location
Sea of Cheese
Ok. I bit - presets were meh but pretty easy to spin up a likable clean bassman.

Phone control was easy to pair and worked great. It’s separate to audio pairing, I guess.

Interested in any NAMs or IRs out there worth loading onto this thing.
 

Dontownatele

Tele-Meister
Joined
Nov 18, 2024
Posts
346
Age
45
Location
Sea of Cheese
Little bit more time on it last night. Fun little toy into headphones. Was messing with edge of breakup jtm45 sounds - no A/B comparisons just what is pleasing enough to inspire some extra noodling before bed.

I should have some time this holiday weekend to play some more with NAMs and IRs.

Amazing how far we’ve come along for those of us remembering the kidney shaped pods of the 90s.
 

Boreas

Telefied
Ad Free Member
Joined
Nov 3, 2019
Posts
20,703
Age
70
Location
Adirondack Coast, NY
So - newbie question - what does NAM and IR mean?? My "old man" understanding of NAM and IR are entirely different!🤔 I understand what they ARE, but what is the actual terminology? I haven't parsed through all of the online manual yet. Wish it had a glossary for the alphabet soup!

Playing with my Pocket Monster as we speak...

More stupid questions to follow.
 

Blrfl

Friend of Leo's
Joined
May 3, 2018
Posts
3,976
Location
Northern Virginia
So - newbie question - what does NAM and IR mean?? My "old man" understanding of NAM and IR are entirely different!🤔 I understand what they ARE, but what is the actual terminology? I haven't parsed through all of the online manual yet. Wish it had a glossary for the alphabet soup!

IR = Impulse Response = Thing that describes how a space like a room or speaker cabinet responds to an very brief, percussive sound.

NAM = Neural Amp Modeler = Software that can profile the behavior amplifiers or pedals and use those profiles to reproduce that behavior digitally.

Playing with my Pocket Monster as we speak...

Hey, now! This is a family show! :lol:
 

Boreas

Telefied
Ad Free Member
Joined
Nov 3, 2019
Posts
20,703
Age
70
Location
Adirondack Coast, NY
IR = Impulse Response = Thing that describes how a space like a room or speaker cabinet responds to an very brief, percussive sound.

NAM = Neural Amp Modeler = Software that can profile the behavior amplifiers or pedals and use those profiles to reproduce that behavior digitally.



Hey, now! This is a family show!
Thanks. I never would have guessed. I may have to become a sound engineer to get my $$ worth out of this!


Today I went through most of the presets, evaluated them, and bumped up the noise gate on most of them, and saved the settings. So far, many of them seemed noisy with my Tex/Mex Tele pickups. Is there a GLOBAL setting for the noise gate?

I am also a newbie to pedal chains and how they should be sequenced. I haven't starting messing with moving the effects sequences yet. Likely to get in over my head. I guess I already am.
 
Last edited:

Blrfl

Friend of Leo's
Joined
May 3, 2018
Posts
3,976
Location
Northern Virginia
Thanks. I never would have guessed. I may have to become a sound engineer to get my $$ worth out of this!

I've been giving serious thought to developing a comprehensive web site about this stuff as a retirement (or before) project. It's interesting material and there really isn't a good resource for guitarists that doesn't involve sitting through YouTube videos.

Is there a GLOBAL setting for the noise gate?

Nope. My Ampero had the same model and I found that 20 works well for most things.

I am also a newbie to pedal chains and how they should be sequenced.

There is no "right" other than what sounds good to you.

One of the great parts about these things is that experimentation -- which is how a lot of the musicians we revere found the sounds that made them famous -- is fast and easy. Want to see what the distortion sounds like after the reverb? Try it. Don't like the result? Slide it back to where it was. Messed up the patch so badly that it sounds awful? Reload the last version you saved.
 

Boreas

Telefied
Ad Free Member
Joined
Nov 3, 2019
Posts
20,703
Age
70
Location
Adirondack Coast, NY
I've been giving serious thought to developing a comprehensive web site about this stuff as a retirement (or before) project. It's interesting material and there really isn't a good resource for guitarists that doesn't involve sitting through YouTube videos
Te website/blog sounds like a great idea!

I haven't touched the sampling section yet. I already have a pedal for that and only used it once as it had quite a learning curve.
 
Last edited:

Dontownatele

Tele-Meister
Joined
Nov 18, 2024
Posts
346
Age
45
Location
Sea of Cheese
Anyone find a nam they like? Maybe it’s just the ones I tried but the attack was weird. Is this just a NAM thing?

IRs was what I expected.

If anyone has specific links for NAMs it’s much appreciated.

Props to their osx software. Super easy to 1.3 firmware update and upload nam/ir files after.

We were paying $300-$500 in the early 00s for digital stuff (cosm and line6 pod) trying to do half of what this does. My mind is blown from that perspective alone.
 
Top