NGD: Fender 400 Pedal Steel

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  1. AlbertaGriff

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    I've wanted to try pedal steel for a while, but I have no interest in the large investment needed for even a basic modern instrument. I also LOVE all things Fender. For both of those reasons, I've had my eye on one of these for a while. This one popped up on the local used site for what I think is a great price, so I picked it up!

    It's somewhere between a '67 and maybe the mid '70s. It's in pretty great condition considering I don't think it's been played for 20 years. Needed a good dusting though.

    I've put it into a modified E9 tuning, and so far it sounds great! Although something is up with the tone pot - doesn't work as it should.

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    Sharp looking instrument - very nice score - HNGD!
     
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    Beautiful.
     
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    Gorgeous!
     
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    Very nice! What's your 8-string E9 tuning and pedal setup?
     
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    I went with this:

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    From a site I found. I may switch a few things though. It's my first time on anything other than a 6 string (Spanish style and a lap steel in C6).
     
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    Nice! I had one for a bit, never got the pedals working, I think mine had a big rectangular pickup like a Jazzmaster.
     
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    good luck
     
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    Very cool!
    Dows it have the cable type changer, or roller nut?
    Those things sound great.
     
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  10. AlbertaGriff

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    Yep the earlier models had the Jazzmaster style pickup, I think it changed around 63/64.

    Thank you, I need all the well wishes.

    Yep it's got both of those. Definitely seems like a well thought out machine... just no knee levers.
     
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    Back in the early 70's there was a country band in Austin, TX called Paradise Special. Basically a bunch of hippies playing country music, but their steel player was this older guy who played that same pedal steel. He sounded great!
     
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    Very, very cool !!!
     
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    If you don't mind me making a suggestion with your tuning... I think you should swap pedal changes labeled A and D (those are the changes that are usually found on knee levers). Here's why:

    The E - F change is mainly used in combination with the B - C# pedal to make a major triad (releasing the B - C# pedal then gives you another 7th chord). So those should be next to one another. This is one of the most useful changes on the pedal steel. It allows you to have major triads in three different positions instead of just two.

    Also, the E - Eb change is typically used in combination with the G# - A pedal to make a 7th chord, so those also should be next to one another.

    Have you been to steelguitarforum.com? You can get lots of information there.
     
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  14. AlbertaGriff

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    I will give your suggestion a try! Thanks!

    I have an account at the steelguitarforum as well, but I don't post there at all. I have done some reading though.
     
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    Pedal steel is “beyond my ken”. Much luck with it, and enjoy it!
     
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    Congrats and good luck! I struggle enough with lap steel that pedal steel terrifies me.
     
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    Awesome and congrats!

    I had an older version back in the day.
     
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    I've played one of these. It's got enough moves for me, and a great sound. I will probably get one of these eventually.
     
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    Very cool. These guitars a capable of some great vintage pedal steel tones, or rock if you prefer. "Sneaky" Pete Kleinow made pretty good use of early Fenders with The Burrito Brothers.

     
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  20. AlbertaGriff

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    I'm not sure what these usually sell for but it's certainly a lot less than a modern pedal steel unit. Keep your eyes out for a deal!
     
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