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NGD: Epi Casino, 2nd try

Discussion in 'Other Guitars, other instruments' started by Sotakoira Musti, Dec 28, 2020.

  1. Flaneur

    Flaneur Friend of Leo's

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    A Casino is essential, for a Beatles nut, such as yourself, isn't it?:D

    I hope you can tweak this one, into something you can bond with. Otherwise.....you'll have to keep looking. :)
     
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  2. JuneauMike

    JuneauMike Poster Extraordinaire

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    This isn't the same guitar as the Beatles. If you want to get closer to that guitar maybe consider (in this order) 1) lower output pickups, 2) new nut 3) new CTS electronics and 4) new bridge with nylon saddles.
     
  3. cnlbb

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    What is the overall opinion of the 2020 Casinos? I kinda dig the worn black and am happy to upgrade a few parts/pickups and do the set-up, but is the core instrument good? Does it got good bones?
     
  4. schmee

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    Yeah, that bothered me some on Gibbys, but one thing I learned with both set about right for chording/comping, that turning one up for leads could give a great lead tone and rolling down you were back at good chording tone.... Takes a while to discover what it is....
     
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  5. schmee

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    Also, there are like 3 different versions of the Casino out there. At least one with a higher cutaway.
     
  6. dswo

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    Intonation was mentioned by two people in this thread. My mid-90s MIK Casino had intonation trouble on the low E when I bought it last summer. The saddle on the stock bridge couldn't move quite far enough for that string to intonate correctly. I fixed that problem (and got of rid of the retaining wire rattle) by replacing the stock bridge with a Wilkinson roller bridge. The Wilkinson is not expensive, but it has a slot (pictured below) that lets you adjust where the whole bridge sits, relative to the posts. This gives you a few extra millimeters to lengthen or shorten the scale, as needed for intonation.

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  7. Guitarteach

    Guitarteach Doctor of Teleocity

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    This is true.. Mine has the shorter 16th fret join.. quite a woody tone.
     
  8. dreamingtele

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    I had a 2011 MIC. Although it sounded very good, the quality issues were just so hard to ignore. it was beautiful but it’s only just the looks.

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    i couldnt get a decent set up on it, Neck was unstable, among other things. Also the quality of materials isnt great. But these are built to a price point and I know that. But Ive found other people loving theirs, so maybe it’s just my specific Casino that was not great at all.

    But I loved the formula of thinline hollow and P90’s. so i vowed to get the best version I can afford.

    eventually I bought a 330. And this one made it to be my number 1.

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  9. schmee

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    Although my initial inclination might be to want more cutaway, I think on a hollow guitar, more neck in the body might be good. There's a thing in acoustic guitars about 12 fret vs 14 fret. I have A/B'd some and the 12 fret does sound a bit different to me.
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  10. archetype

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    They came in orange, IIRC a turquoise blue, and perhaps one more uncommon color. Online sellers closed them out at a reduced price.
     
  11. 62 Jazzmaster

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    I bought a used Casino Coupe off craigslist a few years ago, the more compact size of body makes it a good couch noodeler.
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  12. tweedman2001

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    I understand what you are saying about the quality and pickup differences. I lucked into a used IBJL Revolution with case for the same price as a used standard Casino. I was able to compare it directly with a standard and an Elitist. The IBJL for me was better than either and especially at $399 out the door. The fit, finish and the sound was just awesome. It was hands above the standard and the same sound wise as the Elitist. But I preferred the feel of IBJL over the Elitist so it came home. I have read that some people were not happy with the fit and finish of some IBJLs. I don't know if there has been variations in the quality control or if the previous owner had some work done but this one was as good as the Japanese Elitist. Granted the build of the Elitist was a bit better like a one piece neck, etc. But not worth a thousand dollars more to me.

    Now I understand the newer standard models have had improvements since I tested one so I can't speak about them. I also have a Wildkat which I believe has the same pickups that the standard Casino did have. The Wildkat sounded very dark and muddy unlike my IBJL. I did find that a rewire, not a pickup replacement helped the Wildkat tremendously. That being said, I have never compared it directly to a standard Casino.

    Those are my observations. I hope they will help some. My final thought though is that my IBJL is not going anywhere.
     
  13. rze99

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    Congratulations. Natural ones are lovely hard not to think of John Lennon. I have one from Korea 2000. Needed nicer pickups. It now has Gibson P90s and a treble bleed.
     
  14. Sotakoira Musti

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    Yes I know, not even close. But will have to do until I find money to buy a proper vintage one. If I had the same guitars as Beatles, I’d be a rich man.
     
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  15. Kerberos

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    I really wish you the best of luck. I bought one new in 2014. The guitar always sounded sickly, I'd tune it, after five minutes it sounded off. I checked intonation, replaced the tuning machines, neck was straight, and the Nut was Clear. After two years, I was looking at it one day, and said that's it I'm done. Drove over to Guitar Center where I had purchased it. It Ran me $520 plus tax, plus I purchased a Epi Hardshell case for it, not sure what I paid for it. I asked how much they would give me...$280, case and all. I took it and never looked back. A friend of mine has one, and it's great! Hope you got a good one!
     
  16. JuneauMike

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    If you do the things I described you will get close enough that you may not want to spend the money on a vintage instrument. There's a really great guitar hiding inside the Casino, but cost cutting measures have hobbled its ability to shine.
     
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    Anyone have a good source for pickguards?
     
  18. Guitarteach

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    I am interested too..after one with the E logo for my original ‘63 short neck.
     
  19. somebodyelseuk

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    Nice enough.
    I'm not particularly enamoured with recent Epiphones.
    The guitars are what they are. Not bad, not spectacular. It's the blatant lies in their marketing I don't like.
    I have a 2018 Dot, advertised as rosewood board and Alpha pots. The board is obviously not rosewood, and the pots were not even within 20% of the 500k they were stamped, let alone Alphas.
    On the flip side, the bridge, stopbar and tuners are much better than is usual at that price.

    NOW, it has 500k Alphas, all measuring within 5% of 500k. Dramatically improved it's tone.
     
  20. Peter77

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    Thats a really nice looking guitar. Wether you are a Fender or Gibson person. This is a very nice colour of the guitar. 60FA73F9-36D8-49C3-AA69-D2A3226D9079.png
     
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