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NGD: 1967 Telecaster

Discussion in 'Vintage Tele Discussion Forum (pre-1974)' started by bossaddict, Jul 19, 2018.

  1. Aztex

    Aztex Tele-Meister

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    I gotta read up on this Dark Circuit~!

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  2. hrstrat57

    hrstrat57 Tele-Afflicted

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    Once again carefully unsolder the pickup leads and stick in a Obsidian or Kelling Sound Solderless Standard rig - easy peazy and non invasive.

    (Never heard about the “dark circuit “ either. Tell more @skunqesh
     
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  3. skunqesh

    skunqesh Tele-Holic

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    There's a lot of info within TDPRI, but here's a quick link

    https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Factory_Telecaster_Wirings_Pt_1



    Its design was to bring out 'the bass' or emulate an organ-like sound, for rhythm players.
    Having played a Tele wired with one, I can honestly say I'm not a fan.


    from the link:

    "With the neck pickup alone and the 0.05 µF tone cap engaged, the sound is very dark—a preset “organ tone” that Leo Fender thought would inspire guitarists to play bass lines. Some contemporary jazz guitarists like this dark tone, but in the ’50s guitarists didn’t want to play bass lines. Leo believed in this feature, so he transferred it from the original two-pickup Esquire to the Tele, and it stayed untouched until late 1967. This was one of the very first things players started to modify in their Teles because it was unpopular right from the start."
     
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  4. ponce

    ponce Tele-Afflicted

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    Wow!!
     
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  5. aidB

    aidB Tele-Meister

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    Gorgeous Tele! Outstanding photography too. Congratulations on your '67.
     
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  6. twang junkie

    twang junkie Tele-Meister

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    Very nice looking Tele, congrats enjoy it
     
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  7. David Barnett

    David Barnett Doctor of Teleocity

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    The "dark circuit" already gets full benefit of the neck pickup, it's there in the middle position. What it lacks is a neck+bridge setting.
     
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  8. Mike SS

    Mike SS Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    The previous owner took great care of it. It has survived 50+ years in amazing condition. Enjoy your new guitar.
     
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  9. skunqesh

    skunqesh Tele-Holic

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    Good point.
    fwiw, the classic middle position (N+B) is my favorite setting, so in some regard full bene's aren't available until that functionality is restored. I don't know if just swapping the inline (2nd) capacitor with a direct wire achieves that? I've played around with guitar circuits but I'm out of practice atm.

    Back to OP Boss's guitar:
    It's a beauty, and despite any opinion I have about the dark circuit - I hesitate to advocate mods on any 100% original classic guitar (aside from refretting). It's a great piece of history.

    my 2c - if a different sound or tone is desired what better excuse does a person need to feed their GAS? :D
     
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  10. bossaddict

    bossaddict Tele-Meister

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    Yeah, the middle position (combining neck and bridge) is my favorite on a lot of Gibsons and also on my Tele Custom, but for the standard Telecaster wiring, I usually like the bridge or neck alone, so I don't feel like I'm missing out too much with the dark circuit. I use that super-dark third selector position for tuning. :)
     
  11. Blue Bill

    Blue Bill Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

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    Awesome.
     
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  12. David Barnett

    David Barnett Doctor of Teleocity

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    It's good with a fuzz pedal.
     
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  13. bossaddict

    bossaddict Tele-Meister

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    I could see that now that you mention it. I have a new fuzz on the way and will give that a shot.
     
  14. bossaddict

    bossaddict Tele-Meister

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    I had a question on another forum about whether or not it has a smuggler's cavity, so I thought you all might be interested in seeing a peek under the guard...

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  15. shupe13

    shupe13 Tele-Afflicted

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    Gorgeous!

    Congrats!!
     
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    The tone knob is hooked up to a .05uf capacitor which gives you that .05uf muddy tone in both bridge and neck position (switch back and middle respectively).

    But flip the switch forward (the dark position) and it should be just the neck pickup locked in to an even darker .10uf cap and the tone knob does nothing.


    The original design was two .05uf's for just a couple years in the early 50s, but Leo went even darker to the .10uf and it stayed all the way until to 1967!

    I wired a Squier Classic Vibe that way and it sounds awesome for what it is, history. And I'm ok with that because another Tele is wired with a 4-way and a grease bucket circuit. File_001.jpeg
     
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  17. David Barnett

    David Barnett Doctor of Teleocity

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    That's not a "smuggler's cavity", it's just the regular diagonal wiring rout, which was present on all Telecasters and Esquires from the early 1950s until the early 1970s. Maybe someone can give precise dates...
     
  18. 2blue2

    2blue2 Friend of Leo's

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    Super neat

    I really want a 67
     
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  19. cheebzh22

    cheebzh22 TDPRI Member

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    Any 67 with a maple neck was custom. Found an almost identical looking 66 lefty for my brother years ago. If you take off the neck and look at the markings on the neck I would not be surprised if you see a rubber stamp, possibly in red ink "CUSTOM." My favorite Tele, which is also a 67 is. Blue Ice Metallic which I have had for about 20 years. Great era for Teles. The pickups are usually mid 6K and have TONS of bite...very Roy Buchanan to my ear, even though he is known for the black guard sound. Keeper!!! Greg
     
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  20. bossaddict

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