New Squier Classic Vibes are here!

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  1. Toto'sDad

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    Lets see, they were made in China, now in Indonesia, different plant, all different people, different tools, different parts (probably) but they're still 100 % FENDER! People that think that putting the name Fender on just anything that rolls down the road, surely fit my old man's old favorite saying, "that old boy don't know an apple from a horse turd." They may even be a decent guitar, the Chinese ones were, (some of them), but Fender? I dunno 'bout that.
     
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    I agree, never liked the Fender hollow bodies.
     
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    I'm kind of looking forward after thinking it over to see what the Indonesian models will look like. The reason that I make remarks about foreign built "Fenders" is that everyone here gets uptight when someone puts a Fender decal on a homebuilt, but seems perfectly okay with a whole factory of them being built anywhere, as long as Fender says, "well okay then, we have another Fender."
     
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    Most of the ones discussed here are Squiers.
    I don't need more guitars , but look forward to hear about them compared to the MIC ones.
    I don't have high hopes.......we shall see/hear.
     
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    Good to know. Thanks!
     
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    They've been making Squiers and even Fenders for years in Indonesia. And guitar companies usually ship the same molds and tools to different factories.
     
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    I sold an off brand 60s amp to an Australian. I asked if he really wanted it since shipping was $160 , the same as the winning price for the amp. So that's why he said yes.
     
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    archetype Fiend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    It's a Squier. Fender maintains Squier as a budget brand. Except for a bit of early MIJ and MIM production, Squiers have always been produced by contract with another company.
     
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    I respect that approach.

    But I do know that FMIC and its contractors have a long history of rolling out new production with some exemplary, sparkling examples that exceed the quality of the typical one in the container that arrives in the USA a year or two from now.
     
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    You can make quality guitars anywhere. I don't get this "new people, different tools" argument. Are we to assume that Indonesian guitar factories are staffed by people who've never made a guitar before, using inferior tools and CNC machines?

    Guitars have been made in Indonesia for years now. I had an MII Epiphone Classic Pro Thunderbird that was identical to the Gibson version in every way (including the pickups), and I thought it played and sounded better than any Gibson I've tried.

    I wouldn't worry too much about the quality of these Squiers. Factories build to the specs and quality that Fender asks for. It's not like having a Chibson made, where the standards are whatever they feel like giving you.
     
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    I guess there's a form of really high quality nato out there, but I've never seen any of it. YMMV.

    Mahogany is traditionally really nice wood. I think there's "mahogany" being sold out there that should not be called mahogany because it from some other type of tree in fact. We're in a sort of trap because the people who love actual, high end Mahogany the most are extremely reluctant to see any more such trees harvested. A hiatus would be a really good idea.

    The weird thing is, what is Nato now, may have been sold as "Mahogany" last year.
     
  13. boris bubbanov

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    I'm listening.

    TDPRI once used to be a sort of clearing house, where employees and people in the know in South Asia would "leak" information to us about working conditions and etc. at the Surabaya plant. I remember one time the guy corrected me when I carelessly posted "Surubaya" and not Surabaya.

    We heard about Turnover, and ridiculous production quotas, and minimal inspections, and guitars being shipped that should've been burned or cut up.

    But I put my money on the guitars of Indonesia. I've bought 39 of them. They have immense POTENTIAL to make quality guitars. I hope things work out that way, and that the workers are rewarded with respect and better pay and working conditions.
     
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    Airing of Grievances?

    This place is refreshingly free of those types of people and their nonsense. And that's why I love it! :^)
     
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    I would like to see Fender simplify what they do, and just put the big Fender decal only on in house built guitars, basses and amplifiers. Corona + Ensenada. Everything else (and this includes "fenders" made in japan) should be called Squiers or one of the other brand names that FMIC has captured. Unless FMIC is prepared to actually buy real estate in Asia and construct a genuine, FMIC owned plant there. IMO no "contract" guitar should ever bear the big Fender decal - this would even apply to contractors in the USA or Canada. Squier by fender is OK.
     
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    Personally I prefer just Squier, why Fender put "Squier by Fender", I don't know. You don't see "Epiphone by Gibson", so why do Fender insist on this adage. We all know Squier is a Fender brand. Just pondering...
     
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    STARCASTER? HOLY SHEEEEEEEEEET :D
     
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    Really? It seems like BDC was made for that sorta stuff :)

     
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    You got that right.
     
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    I think people are savvy enough about countries of manufacture now that it's becoming unecessary to use a second-tier brand name. Lots of guitar manufacturers put their main brand on their Asian-made guitars these days, and nobody's confused by it. In fact, I think Gibson would do better to put the Gibson name and headstock on their Chinese-made, Gibson model guitars... Keep the Epiphone name/headstock on the Casino, Sheraton, Riviera, etc., but put Gibson on the LPs, Explorers, SGs, etc. I think that would make a lot of people happy and increase sales, while putting a big dent in the Chibson market.
     
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