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New MACs

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Geoff738, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. imwjl

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    All I found there was Q (kidding) and a woman screaming about flu shots (too late). YouTube is not not the right authority for the way I have to know this stuff.

    Closer to topic, I'll be all eyes and ears on the new Mac minis. I might be asking @getbent and some others some questions, and I'm watching for stuff on the announcements Apple made on security. The new mini is sized and almost priced like a type of computer I provision for around 140 employees. It might be truly competitive for that group in a number of ways. You can federate Apple, Google & Microsoft. It could be really cool stuff. I work for people who love latest and greatest (see the my boss and Teslas plus Rivian posts).

    Maybe there will be M2 or new physical design laptops by the time I get some other projects done now through early 2021.

    Your wanting computers repaired the way it used to happen is just not going to happen outside of building your own generic boxes.
     
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  2. chris m.

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    Isn't the problem with building your own Hackintosh or powerful PC the problem of getting all the components and their drivers to play nice together? I think that's why most people are willing to pay a reasonable premium on a pre-built box or laptop.....but it sure is annoying when those issues haven't actually been fixed! So you get a less powerful machine, for more money, that doesn't work seamlessly as advertised.

    Sweetwater has a variety of desktops and laptops available for sale that they claim work just wonderfully for DAWs. It might make sense that a music gear seller would help ensure that the gear they sell works well for music. I wonder, though-- it sure would be nice if they had tech support that would make sure that your DAW and plugins actually work on it, and to help troubleshoot any configuration/latency/I/O issues. I would be willing to pay a premium for that kind of support. For example, this is the PC laptop they recommend....but how seamless is it, really? And how much tech support, if any, would they include?

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  3. Geoff738

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    I don’t know what that means, but it’s at least ten years old, FireWire!, no thunderbolt ports etc.

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    The new chip style Apple is using (ARM technology) has been in the $35 Raspberry Pi computers for a decade, as well as many of the TV boxes like Roku. Linux has performed well on ARM devices. So the technology is likely to work.

    However, what you need to be wary of is Apples 'forced upgrade march' that will cause you to upgrade all the cable connectors, phones, printers, etc, etc. in your life too. They have done this since the 80s. I marvel at Apples Marketing team but I avoid all their products.




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    if I needed a new computer I'd buy that mini in a heartbeat -- I can get by on Apple apps, Logic, Pages, Photos, Safari, and I already have a nice monitor, keyboard & mouse that I've been using as a docking station for an old 12" MacBook. The monitor has a USB-C hub built into it (a beautiful LG Ultrafine I picked up cheap as a refurb) so the limited port thing wouldn't matter -- I've been getting by for years on a single USB-C for everything including charging. Am I talking myself into one? If I get into a complicated music recording thing I might give it a try.
     
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    PPC is the older ones before they had Intel processors.
     
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    Depends on a number of factors:
    The new silicon Mac reviews are simply great! However there is no timeline for when they will move to the iMac lineup.
    If your current Mac is on it's last legs, then there is nothing wrong with the Intel iMacs currently being sold.
    My current Mac is in good shape so I'm waiting until the new iMacs which presumably will have a new design with smaller chin, edge to edge bezels etc. Plus I don't like the 27" models as they are too big for my needs but the 21" models are not as well equipped. It is rumored that the new smaller version of the iMac will be 24" which is perfect for my needs.
    I also think future software will be optimized for the Apple chips.
    Some of the advantages of the silicon are less important in the iMac (longer battery life, etc). ON the other hand lower consumption means less heat, etc.
     
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    I’m still upset that they did not provide an upgrade path for my Apple ///

    I keeed! I keeed!

    Both Mrs Buckocaster and I have fairly old MacBook Airs. I suspect we will pul the trigger sometime next year.

    I have one of those HUGE iMacs that is about 4 years old. I doubt that I will be able to talk her into that... ;)
     
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    I’m very excited to try out a low cost ARM porn cruiser once they’re widely available and a Linux distro can be worked out to play well with a number of them (There are like two ARM laptops and ARMbian is mostly for SBC stuff).

    Drivers in mind, I’m not ready to dump that kind of cash on a Mac this early for recording. But also support from microchip, stmicro, etc is horrible or virtually non-existent in many cases for mac anyway. So even if I were ready, it makes it impossible. I’m not going to have three devices.

    I always used to chuckle at the kids in college when I went back with my lowly 8 year old thinkpad. Lots of MacBook pros there just to check Facebook and work on google docs...
     
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    If you only use MacOS applications, the M1 chip machines are worthy to consider for performance, although the portables are only smaller screens presently. But if like me, you also use virtualization for Win10 to use applications not available on MacOS (like my CAD/CAM software for my CNC), then the new chips are going to be an issue for the foreseeable future since Rosetta 2 apparently doesn't support virtualization stuff at the present time for things like Intel instruction Windows. Performance on M1 looks really, really good, however.
     
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    I decided I didn't need software or features that are Apple exclusive anymore and bought an extremely powerful, stylish, and upgradable HP for a nice savings over even current Macbook prices.
     
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    I have. 2008 Mac Pro tower that runs perfectly, aside from the matter that newer software won’t run on it. I bought a refurbished iMac with a SSD and loaded it up with 3rd parry RAM to run my Adobe programs for work. Probably the best Mac I’ve ever had and I’ve been buying them since ‘96.

    The Mac Pro is now in my “studio“, but some current music software won’t run on it either.

    By a used or refurbished Intel machine to tide you over. My guess is that it will be good for years.
     
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    hey no harm in disagreeing with me, there is no good guy bad guy here. just a juxstiposition of opinions , I sincerly hope you find what works for you
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    I bought a 15" MacBook Pro in 2018 from BestBuy, but 'About this MAC' shows a birthdate of Mid 2016. Still have High Sierra OS, and haven't upgraded, since I have Universal Audio, Logic, and now LUNA DAWs with tons of plugins. The good thing is that MAC seems to send security patches for their legacy OS's. Since Windows XP ended, I never liked any DOS based systems that followed, like $hitty Vista, Windows 8, then 10.

    I like that if you do want to upgrade operating systems, it's free. Mine has a 2.2 GHz Intel Core i7 running it. With 16GB RAM, internal disk space, and a Glyph 3TB external drive) and cloud and processor speed, I should be okay for a few more years. I love the way it syncs with my UA Apollo Twin, withQuad processors, one of the few times I'm glad to have a proprietary system. I've had up to 30 open windows open at a time and it never loses a step. The Apollo Twin/Quad does all the heavy lifting inside the interface, and doesn't drain resources from the MAC at all. It came with Thunderbolt & USB 3.0

    MAC has many issues with the company and recent products since Steve Jobs passed, and I don't like the fact I can't upgrade the RAM, but the overall experience is night and day compared to my 25+ years in PC/Windows world. I still have a decent HP tower and Dell Studio (which has an awesome internal sound card), but they just sit and collect dust since I went MAC. The MBP stands upright in a docking station and I don't think I've opened it for a year or two. If I ever get another, I don't need a 15", since the GUI is connected to a 40" HD monitor and never gets opened.

    You guys know much more about MACs than I ever will, so I may pick your brains occasionally.

    Thanks, from a Noob
     
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    Apple's o_O not on my Xmas list.

    Stupid old Windows 10:) and Reason 11;) is fine for me. There's Reason and Recycle:twisted:, each merrily toodling along, along their merry ways to digital happy-happy joy-joy.:D

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    Jeez-its, now that's a revelation for the ages! I never thought of it that way , I just thought I was a non-volunteer in the Apple Bend-Over club.

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    I'd never buy the very-first generation of anything from Apple.

    On the other hand, the Intel models are "planned obsolescence".

    Maybe a few-years-old used one to keep the price way down, upgrade from what you're using now, and carry you through till the new chips have been shaken down for a couple of product-cycles. I've never had bad luck with "refurbished" Apple gear, whether from Apple themselves or third-party refurbishers.
     
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    Sure, at some point immediately through soon. For most, stuff on i
    The Surface family including the Laptop 3 model has been super multiple ways. I provision the tablet-like Pros, big Books, and the Laptop models. It's pure Microsoft, no add on crapware, premium support, superb software compatibility. They do firmware updates via the Windows updates. Macs and Surface family are the top requests I get for personalized or exec level systems.

    They with Mac laptops have been my main work tools. My only knock would be battery life where Intel Macs are better.
     
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    It has been confirmed the ARM version of Windows could run on the Apple Silicone but also that current licensing doesn't allow it. That version has compatibility issues. It's not the solution for needing to run older software. At this point 64 bit Intel Windows creates issues with old software compatibility.

    Parallels has announced a new virtualization product has come and I'll bet an easy VMware to their conversion will aid sales. One thing I'm certain of if you do Mac virtualization is make sure you have your VM a single file. A Mac VMware VM can be split in 2 GB files for management and portability. You can convert that to single file. Do that sooner than later or keep a backup copy that way.

    Lots of things are changing and old software will be more of a problem no matter what platform you use. Security and private are matters that should also be considered. There are things in common with the people here mentioning using some old setups but in my day job and personally I've made it time to move on from some things.

    There's some cool stuff to realize and think about with computing, communication, energy transportation right now. Lots of choice, innovation and performance compared to some time periods in my life. Embrace change!
     
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