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Neptune in under 10 years

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by uriah1, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. uriah1

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    ok. let's do it!
     
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    Wow. And Neptune is past Uranus!
     
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    That sounds great and all... But what do you do when you get past neptune? Do they circle around and come back? The outer edge of the solar system is vast and empty. Vast and empty doesn't quite do it justice. If you're not familiar with the Kuiper belt you should do some reading. I always like new perspectives on how distant things are. It took voyager something like 30 years to make it to the edge of the solar system. I think I remember reading once that it would be another 300 years before it was out of the solar system. I could be misremembering though.
     
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    And what will 10 years in zero gravity space do to a human body? and what do you do when you get there?
     
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    Its a gas giant...nothing to gain from the planet itself..... but a cool ride!
     
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    Gas giant ... Uranus ... hmmm... maybe this Popular Mechanics story is a lot of hot air?
     
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    I wonder what % of humanity even cares about this?.....:lol:

    maybe they should build a tourist hotel on the moon first, to pay for these programs..;)
     
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    Why is everyone obsessed with Uranus?
     
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    Good luck. No man has ever made it past Uranus.
     
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    The mission to Uranus may be stalled as they're having trouble recruiting a team....there's still a lot of openings left to fill.
     
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    Ummm. Yeaaahhh all this talk about Uranus... Neptune is the windiest planet- average over 700mph.

    Heck, New Horizons zipped past Pluto in July of 2015, and carried 30g of Clyde Tombaugh’s ashes there! So we can do it!! It also found that Pluto has a heart, and cryovolcanos that spew (possibly) water that freezes into a cone-like shield like lava here on Earth!!! 92A27474-6384-415E-85A7-C73500DCD05C.jpeg F39A9596-2A30-4087-990D-1B767785B338.jpeg

    Oh, that rust colored stuff on Pluto?? Organic molecules. Yes- even there is some sort of naphta/oil-like scum. Hmmm.

    Just goes to show you- you never know what you will find until you go there!!

    This is truly a mind-roasting mission that isn’t over yet- it’s visiting a few Kuiper Belt Objects as well. This mission was done on the cheap,cheap, cheep as well- whole thing about the size of a Samsonite suitcase :cool::cool::cool:

    Yay!!! Science!!!
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    Hate to break it to you guys, but the world is flat.
    Always has been.
     
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    Why
     
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    Why? Well, why did we drill a transport tube through the center of the earth? Why did we teleport quantum astronauts to adjacent dimensions? Because we could!

    Edit: Sorry, I forgot those weren't publicly released yet.
     
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    Well everyone knows the old earth exploded!

    Yup! Remember? Everyone got on the giant space ark to come to this planet and they decided not to tell all the stupid.....

    Wait never mind
     
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    My favorite response when someone questions exploring space is to ask what would have happened if Columbus, or any other explorers, had never sailed across the Atlantic? Knowledge for knowledge sake is good enough for me.
     
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    That subject was called Exploration in pre-2000's history classes, and you are describing Intellectual Curiosity and curiosity based research. Its the human element at work in infants that learn to talk. Its what drives over-achievers to seek their personal best, even after they've beaten all competitors. It's what drives scientists to spend a poorly paid lifetime of research of seemingly obscure, tiny things, with no immediate reward. Its what drives us to understand that which we don't. We do this, or some of us do this, because we know its the only way forward. All other effort leads backwards.

    Back to the OP, what we need is two forms of acceleration to make space exploration more practical and efficient in discovery: propulsion, and organization. We need more efficient propulsion, with a fuel that takes up much less space, much less mass. It may need to be replenishable, like a stop-off on Mars to mine some water, crack Hydrogen, and re-fuel. 10 years would be wonderful but we need the next step function propulsion, and the next. Alpha Centuri is the long term business plan goal.

    The second form of acceleration needed is more approachable, and available to us today. The space industry is woefully inefficient. Its well known. It consumes a lot more time and resources than it should. Commercial efforts like SpaceX are an attempt to rebuild a new infrastructure without the baggage, and benefit both the commercial and USG providers, including NASA.

    But even with that inefficiency, the USG's expenses for space exploration is tiny.

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    As you can see, Nasa's budget has been shrinking for decades. Gold has increased about 6 times since the International Spacestation was kicked off. If Nasa's budget had kept up with all the other agencies, kept up with total revenue, same percentage, kept up with the cost of potato chips, todays NASA budget would be 140B. Instead, is still hovering around 20B.

    For scale, here's the percentage being spent on all of Nasa's research efforts, not just human and unmanned space exploration and travel.

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    21B. Nasa's budget is .45% of the federal budget. NOT 4.5%...LESS than 1%. If you factor in the other 3T we spent in 2020 in added spending, its even less. And BTW, some of Nasa's budget is going to fund commercial efforts like SpaceX in the form of contracts.

    When you realize our entire physical world, all the different forms of life and matter, all the earth sky and sea, all the kingdoms of everything - is a speck of dust compared to the other forms of matter (and life?) in the universe, you no longer use the term "space" like it's a desolate part of Arkansas. You realize, its WE that don't matter, not all else. We need to seek out that which we don't know. "Need" means essential to survival.

    We need propulsion systems, but we won't get that without dedicated types that are driven passionately by curiosity. We need real commitment in terms of funding. And we need awareness of what and why space exploration, including space travel is what it is.
     
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