Neodymium Speakers

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  1. drri

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    So I tried and ordered the new Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb today and I got to thinking about speaker replacement. I have never looked into Neo speakers before but apparently they are a thing. Has anyone ever replaced their ceremic version with one and got better results?

    I'm not a fan of Jenson and so I thought about sticking a Celestion G12 Neo in there but at 175.00 new it's a stretch.
     
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    I rather like the G12 Century Vintage. One of the only upgrades that fit into a Bassbreaker 15. Large magnets get in the way of the tubes and this has a very small magnet making thing easier.

    But break in your original speaker throughly before splashing out. You might like it a lot after a month of playing - or several hours of faff accelerating the break in.
     
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    The Celestion neo Creamback sounds pretty damn good, IMHO. A bit more ragged or strident than the M65 Creamback though, but close enough for rock and roll. Neo has a bit more bass, but it's kind of a more open bass than the M65, and kind of slots somewhere between the M65 Creamback and the G12H75 in terms of sound, IMHO. I still prefer the M65, but the neo has a sound I could really get to like.
     
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    You know the stock speakers in Tonemasters are neodymium, right?

    There's a conversation going on over in this thread about replacing speakers in TMs-

    Tried the tonemaster deluxe reverb today

    Basically, I pointed out that the neo speaker in the TM sounds different than the stock ceramic speaker of a DRRI. I raised the supposition that to get the amps to sound the same, the difference in speakers must be accounted for in the signal coming from the amp, which means that the usual suspects in aftermarket Deluxe Reverb speakers won't work the same way in a TM. A Fender rep disputed this idea, and I'm waiting for his explanation.
     
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    All my cabinets now have Neos. Mostly Emenince, but a couple of Jensens. Great sounding and gotta love the light weight.
     
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    There's a guy in Corpus Christi, Texas, who builds speaker cabinets, and he uses Eminence neo speakers, and they sound great.
     
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    I tried the TMDR and thought it was great. If I was still gigging I'd definitely be a buyer.
     
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    The Emi Lil Texas is excellent indeed
     
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    This video explains that the speaker(s) in the TMs are essentially the same as those in the RIs with the exception of the magnet itself.

     
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    [QUOTE="drri, post: 9340730 I'm not a fan of Jenson and so I thought about sticking a Celestion G12 Neo in there but at 175.00 new it's a stretch.[/QUOTE]

    I had a G12 Century Vintage for years and tried it in every amp I owned at the time. I've never actually hated a speaker in my life with the exception of that one. The only way I can describe it is that to my ears it was sterile in the extreme. I really think the Centruy Vintage is better suited for PA and monitor speakers where the goal is to recreate the sound of the original amp speaker as transparently as possible.
     
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    Big fan of the Eminence Lil Texas -- give it some break-in time to realize its true tone.
     
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    The only experience I had with new speakers was the Eminence Delta Lite Pro 12 inch. I built a baltic birch closed back cabinet with 2 4.5 inch aerovents with I believe with 7 or 8 inch tubes focusing around 50/60 Hz. I used it with a Silverface Bassman 50 modes to AA864/AB763 for a customer who wanted an amp to do both bass and guitar. I must admit, the Delta Lites really let the amp shine through. we compared it to a 4x10 epifani bass cabinet and the Delta lights had deeper base but much more projection and clarity. For guitar, it let the sound of the guitar sound tru also. I forget where I read this, but if neodymium magnets are used properly it was said they are similar to alnico magnets.
     
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    I don’t understand trying to immediately re-engineer a product such as this. Fender analog and digital engineers, designers worked with Jensen to create the Deluxe or Twin tones.
     
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    I've had this speaker in my old BJ since Emi introduced the model.

    I bought it to reduce amp weight ( aging, bad back) but is efficient ( plenty of power/headroom) and very well balanced tonally, IMO. Great clean, great with my OD pedals.
    Great all purpose speaker ( and amp!) for an ' All purpose player', me!
     
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    I have a 51 year old drip edge Twin Reverb and an almost 69 year old back. When I obtained the TR about 2 years ago, one of the stock Oxfarts was damaged, so, after some extensive online research, I installed a pair of Jensen Stealth Neos. The weight savings (about 10 lb) is substantial, and their sound, for me, is pure Fender Twin Reverb: crisp and clean, with what I call Mama tone- round, firm and tight bottom.:lol: Had an outdoor gig yesterday, and a couple of guitarists in the audience came up and asked what speakers were in the Twin, complimenting the sound. Neos? Love 'em!
     
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    Yep, put one in my '61 Brownface Pro and love it. Lot easier to lift too.
     
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    Which is like saying, "essentially the same except totally different".

    You know, the same way alnico magnet pickups sound different from ceramic magnet ones, and alnico magnet speakers sound different from ceramic magnet ones.
     
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    Yeah, but why go with explanation from the manufacturer when apparently you could instead post speaker chart comparisons from a different speaker to support a preconceived belief?
     
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    Yup. I agree. Definitely needs to be clarified and explained by Fender.
     
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    What explanation?

    So... you think ceramic magnet speakers sound the same as neodymium?

    Yes or no?
     
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