Need to Go IEM; Advice Please?

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  1. tlandonevans

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    So today I received confirmation of something I have suspected for a while; I have bad hearing. The doctor said I suffer from mild hearing loss, and obviously recommended that I begin to use in ear monitoring when I'm performing. I'm only 23, but I'm a hunting guide and around gun fire all the time, and so I know I need to start wearing my ear protection when I do that.

    As far as IEM, it's probably not a necessity for the band sake, but for my hearing sake I'm preparing to make the switch. I have actually tried it in the past, but gave it up after several months. The two things that made me go back to floor wedges were the sound quality (I got a super cheap option last time) and the fact that I couldn't hear what people on stage and in the crowd would try to say to me since I was basically wearing ear plugs.

    My main question is what would be a good in ear choice to purchase? We run Behringer X32, so we should be able to be compatible with anything I would think. I want something that is going to work well, and going to last. The ability to run multiple mixes to multiple receivers would also be nice, in case other guys in the band decide they want to go in ear as well. Sennheiser, Shure, something else? What model?

    Other question is advice for how to hear what my bass player is trying to tell me during the show, or what people in the crowd are saying. Get really good at reading lips?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. McGlamRock

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    We use an X32 with the cover band I play with and I use the Shure SE215 IEM. It's really easy to fiddle with the mix on the cell phone app which is cool. I'd suggest to always mic your amp if that's an option. When I'm running my amp direct, the sound quality is pretty bad, especially my pedals.

    The only problems I have are when we go to a place and have to use someone else's PA (and cannot control your own mix). At our last gig, I turned off the in ears and used them as expensive ear plugs. Thankfully my amp was mic'd so I could still hear us pretty well.
     
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    I was referring more to the monitor system, not the headphones. Thanks for the advice though.
     
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    I use a Shure PSM200 base unit with a Shure P2R-H2 receiver. The thing I like most is that the receiver has a built in limiter. Without a limiter feedback through in-ear monitors is a whole new world of hurt !

    I am sure there are much newer systems, but this one has served me well.

    -H

    ( I also use the Shure SE215 ear phones )
     
  5. tlandonevans

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    Oh, and I guess I should have said this in the original post, but I want something that can transmit multiple mixes to multiple receiver packs. That way other band members can buy a pack and join in whenever they feel like it.
     
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    I know this is a VERY old thread. But I just watched this somewhat lengthy, and full of unneeded chatter, video last night. I think it addresses what you're asking about:
     
  7. Ron R

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    If you're not opposed to a wired solution, you can go fairly cheap and still get good sound - we run our monitor out from the PA to a 4 channel Behringer rackmount headphone amp (I think it was around $100). We all use Shure SE-215s, which are available all over the place for $99. The other two guys still use wired, I just recently went with a low cost wireless unit to transmit from my channel on the Behringer, just because I like the freedom of no wires, and I got tired of buying replacement cables (20-25 feet should do you fine).
     
  8. bettyseldest

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    Doing a similar thing. We got the Behringer XR18 last year, which gives us up to six monitor mixes. The Behringer 6 channel headphone amp was less than £100. So we have six wired iem mixes. I spent a little over £100 on the cheapest Thomann iem (t.bone IEM75) and a couple of cheap sets of earphones (KZ-ES4 @£14, and TRN V80 @ £40). I also bought the Behringer P2 belt pack headphone amp for £18. Our harp player had already bought a P2 and a pair of Shure SE215s for another project he is involved with. Having tried both my pairs of earphones he feels he need not have spent the money on the SE 215s. Do spend a couple of quid on memory foam tips as they make a big difference.

    As a five or six piece we all have our own mixes. When others want to spend the money they can go wireless like me. When I do duo gigs we use my wireless and the P2 rather than lugging the headphone amp around.

    To overcome the isolation effect I run a boundary mike into the monitor mixes, but not FOH, it picks up the audience reaction. If it is a small venue and we are not running the drums and amps into the PA I use another mic to feed the sound of the band into the monitor mixes.

    We have much more room on stage, feedback is a thing of the past, we sing better in tune, and the volume in the iems is much lower than backline and monitors. Give it a go.
     
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    + 1 on a wired solution. I have a Behringer X Air 16 that we configured to use six monitor mixes plus FOH. Two of us have the inexpensive Audio 2000's wireless IEM. They work well but are subject to interference (WIFI) at times. Never had an issue at gigs but it can happen. I also experimented with a wired solution and actually have been using it more.

    I build my own snake from mixer to my pedal board (carry's my DI guitar signal, Mic, and wired in ear feed). In ear feed goes into a Rolls PM50s that sits on board, that goes out (1/4 TRS-XLR) along with guitar cable (combined) into a Behringer PM1, my headphones connect into the PM1. Since the rolls does not have a limiter I set up my buss output on the X Air 16 as a limiter. The wired sound is awesome!

    Good luck!


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    My band has always used floor monitors, but we have been hired to play at a casino that requires us to use IEM. They provide the PA and all gear except for the actual earpieces, which we are supposed to bring. I'm a total N00b on this, and it seems unlikely that we will ever use the earpieces again. Can someone recommend a cheap model to get us through this gig?
     
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    I've just gone IEM as our two vocalists have their floor monitors so loud that I can't hear my backing vocals. So I went with a £150 set from Thomann (T-Bone 100). They are excellent and at last I can hear if I'm in tune, or not. I use one bud type earpiece and use the other ear to hear the band. I've only used it for a couple of gigs but it's a massive step forward from me. I have purely my own vocs in it, but this week I may put a bit of my guitar in it to see if I can still hear my vocs.

    I've played with different types of earphone, and may go for an upgrade. For me, the decision is between the bud type (shove it right into your ear, at the exclusion of all other sound) and the type that sits in the outer ear. The latter type allow a lot of ambient sound, which I like, but also makes it more difficult to hear the feed.
     
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