Need help with an oiled finish

Discussion in 'Tele Home Depot' started by Jeffco01, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. Jeffco01

    Jeffco01 TDPRI Member

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    Hello everyone!

    I'm new to posting, but not new to the forum... I've been peeking around here for a while now. :lol: and, quickly, I wanted to thank everyone for the help and guidance I've found here. WAY better than school ever was!

    Anyway, I have a friend who built a beautiful semi-hollow tele body (quilted maple face and double bound). When it came time to put the finish on he took it to a guy that painted cars and asked him to spray a laquer finish. Instead of the laquer, the spray guy oiled it, saying that it was just "too pretty to spray" (???) my friend was devastated!

    I don't have a clue how to help him. If we sand off the oil there won't be any guitar left. Is there anything that can be done/used to prepare this guitar so that a finish can then be sprayed... And will stick? He's not sure exactly what kind of oil was used. And, after the blowup over the deed being done, the "spray guy" isn't going to tell him.

    I'm sorry for the long windedness (is that a word?) of the post. Any advice would sure be well received.

    Again, thank you to all!
    Jeffrey
     
  2. whodatpat

    whodatpat Friend of Leo's

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    First off that guy who finished the guitar is an asshat for not doing what the builder wanted. He should at least have the decency to admit what he used.

    Maybe some close up pictures and we can get a better idea of the oil/finish he used. If it is like True Oil it will harden enough that you can sand it and put a finish on it. In any case I suspect a good sanding and sealer will let you apply a color finish.
     
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    Shellac sticks to almost anything, and can be used as an undercoat for virtually any finish you want. Use the dewaxed kind.
     
  4. Glen Smith

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    Alright, here's what you do. Tell your friend to take the painter out for a drink. When the painter has almost finished his first drink tell your friend to tell him there is a poison in his drink. Then your friend would tell the painter: "tell me what you applied on the guitar and I will tell you what antidote you need." Problem solved!
     
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  6. Jeffco01

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    Thanks for all the quick replies! I'm new at this, so I didn't want to try quoting and screw it up.
    Whodatpat; he's already taken the body home, so I'll have to get it back here and get a couple of pics. I'm pretty sure it's not true oil though. If I had to guess, something along the lines of Formbys.

    Glen Smith; haha! I'm pretty sure that a more direct approach than what you've mentioned is what caused the painter to dummy up in the first place. But, under the circumstances, I think my friend held his cool pretty well.

    Crazygtr, guitarbuilder, & orangedrop; I'll look into the links and, hopefully, we can get this thing fixed. He really did a fantastic job on this build, and it'll be great if he can get it finished.

    Thank you, everybody!
    Jeffrey
     
  7. Tom Pettingill

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    Lots of good advice and I'll just pile on with my 2c.
    As long as its some form of a proper wood finish and not drenched in motor oil, then you are most likely ok. As has been suggested, best practice when you have a mystery finish is to seal it off with a barrier coat of dewaxed shellac, great stuff.
     
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    Is there a problem with the current finish besides it not
    being lacquer?

    If so, I'm wondering what your friend thinks will be achieved
    by putting clear lacquer over the existing finish? Durability,
    increased mojo, ...?
     
  9. Jeffco01

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    Hi ftatfive,
    Yes, there is a problem. He put a lot of thought, hours, and love into this build. He didnt have a router bit for binding, so he made one. As we traveled in the bus he would spend hours with it in his lap hand sanding it. As most of us do, he has a picture in his head of how it will turn out. Durability or mojo? Probably not. So, the problem?... After seeing it thru to this point, it's not right that someone else decided how it would be. It will be done when what's in his hands matches what's in his head.

    Jeffrey
     
  10. Jeffco01

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    We'll be in Nevada for the next week so, when we get back home, he and I are going to get started with the recommendations y'all have offered.

    I wanted to thank everyone, again, for the great AND fast replies. The level of knowledge and experience here on TDPRI is amazing!

    Jeffrey
     
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    flatfive Friend of Leo's

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    Thanks for explaining. So -- what's in his head? Is the color
    wrong, not glossy enough, ...?
     
  12. Jeffco01

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    It may have to do with the gloss, I'm not sure. But I know that he wanted an actual hardened, buffed out, finish. Not just raw wood with a bit of color. Also I'm expecting that, with the bindings (front and back), he was thinking of something that tied them all together into one finish. So there wouldn't be gaps/seams between wood and binding.

    I've never asked him "what's wrong with it", to tell the truth. Partly because I don't think it looks right... Unfinished.... As it is. And partly because, since it is his build, I just figured he knew what he wanted. Maybe there's nothing wrong with an oil finish to some... Just not him.

    Jeffrey
     
  13. KeithJ

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    What part of Nevada are you visiting?
     
  14. Jeffco01

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    Hi KeithJ, stopping in Reno long enough to have a meeting with our agent, then its on to lovely Hawthorne, NV. Being from the coast of Oregon, with all the green trees and water, going to Hawthorne is akin to visiting the moon! There's a whole lotta nothin' out there. ;)

    Where are you located?
    Jeffrey
     
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    After that we're back in Oregon for one week, and then turn around and back to Reno, Nevada, to the Atlantis Resort & Casino for a week. You know, sometimes I feel like a truck driver that likes to play a little music! (-;

    Thank again, everybody!
    Jeffrey
     
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