Need Help Dated this Fender Musicmaster

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  1. Kerberos

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    My cousin who lives in Maine came across this Fender Musicmaster. He asked me to give him some idea of what he has. I know Fender has screwed up serial numbers, changing them several times, this one has got me baffled. I'm guessing in the 50's sometime, then again I didn't think Fender had the Truss Rod adjustments via the headstock till much later on. Appreciate any help in zeroing it in,

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    Looks to be circa '58/59 or so...
     
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    I have two guitars with Fender Musicmaster necks, a 22.5" scale 1965 and a 24" scale 1971 and both are heel-adjust truss rods, so my best guess is that it's a newer one.
     
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    I just see a plug on the headstock, no truss rod access...
     
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    That is not a headstock-adjust truss rod.

    It's the first generation style, meaning mid to late '50s. It is likely a '57 or '58, based on the "0" at the beginning of a six digit serial number. Most serials in that era were five digits, but some in '57 and '58 had six digits with the "0" being the first digit.

    It looks to be in very decent condition. It could sell for $2K+ if he is patient, and if it has the original case, everything is original, and the frets are still good. Start dinging hundreds of dollars off if it has non-original parts, needs frets, etc. If that is the original strap, it's super cool.

    I want it. Bad!

    FWIW, those are almost exactly the same scale guitars as the current Strat Minis. They are basically children's guitars. But that doesn't stop them from being killer instruments, and nicely made.
     
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    My cousin says the guy believes he bought it in 57, so I think you got it right. OK...I see there is a plug at the headstock now. I did notice that it had no Belly Cut, and figured 50's. Thank you for sharing knowledge, really helps out!
     
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    Every bit of info helps....Thank you..
     
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    good call..seems to be the general consensus...Thanks!
     
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    That's in really stellar shape. :)
     
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    The one you posted has the heel adjustment, it's just a wooden plug in the headstock.
     
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    I had that exact model in high school because it was cheap. Loved it. Now they're vintage and relatively valuable. D'Oh!!
     
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    I've done a bit of research online and have found some pictures of late 50's Duosonics that show the plugged headstock, which I find puzzling. Since the trussrods in these older guitars were loaded through the back of the headstock and skunk-stripe added, and the newer ones with the slab fretboards had the trussrods front-loaded, what's the reasoning behind that plugged headstock? It doesn't seem to have any purpose that I can see.
     
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    It looks like the '57 Musicmaster I had. In the last pic you can see the super-hard V profile the '57 necks usually had, from nut to heel. Everything looks correct:

    - Original tuners (the buttons deteriorate pretty badly, sometimes)
    - No string tree spacer
    - First version of Desert Sand
    - No clear coat
    - It even has the bridge cover.

    If you can get along with a very small hard-V profile, and put on heavier strings to deal with the 22 1/2" scale, these are plenty of fun. It's routed for a bridge pickup and a switch, so you can stash the original pickguard assembly and build a Duo-Sonic loaded pickguard to use if you want.

    Mine had the most gnarly, fat, outrageous Fender pickup I've ever heard. I played slide on mine and woooooooeeeeee!
     
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    In '64 they changed to an actual offset waist design. As you can see, this one has an even waist and is of the first generation body style.

    p.s. Someone needs to teach the owner how to install strings using those tuners.
     
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    More great info! Thanks!
     
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    I'm located in NY. My wife and I plan to visit my cousin in November, weather permitting. Maine can get nasty (wicked..ha!) real quick in the winter. Anyway he'll take me to see this fellow with the guitar. He has an amp too, real interested in what that might be!
     
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    Probably the same reason they've been doing it that way since the 1950 Broadcaster...
     
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