Need advice ,1973 Fender telecaster deluxe authentication

Discussion in 'Vintage Tele Discussion Forum (pre-1974)' started by Lotion12, Sep 5, 2019.

Should i buy it for 1.5k Dollars

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  2. No

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  1. Lotion12

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    its a kind of help request. There isnt any vintage shop or any luthiers who is able to tell any information about it .




    serial no : 419588 1973 fender telecaster deluxe

    Thanks alot for your time.
    Kind regards
     
  2. Lotion12

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  3. MatthewK

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    Looks legit to me. It's had a black overspray around the edges. If it plays well it's worth about twice that price.
     
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    Thanks alot for your quick help ,

    If Anyone else has any more idea and information i would be happy to hear
     
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    I don't see any obvious telltales. The small e-string saddle is different. The frets are really beat up, but that's fixable. Also, it appears that the pickup selector switch has been replaced.

    You are right, the pickguard and bridge do not quite line up, and the top string tree seems to be installed a little low, pulling the strings out of alignment. I don't know whether these are indications of a fake, or just quality control issues. Good luck.
     
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    Thanks alot for your quick reply.
    Ahhhh 70’s Fender quality Check issues... All guitars are different on that era . It may be B-stock?

    So do you think will im gonna be able to fix pickguard to bridge line up. I think its possible cause pickups connected to pickguard . Whats you thoughts
    ?
     
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    Would you pay 1.5k mate ? Im still not sure.
     
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    I'm not an expert, but it does look refinished to me. Look at the headstock, front and back. It has the same black burst overspray. Don't think Fender ever offered that (again, not an expert).

    Are you able to play it? If it plays all right, feels good in your hands, pickups are original, I would definitely consider buying it if it were me. An original Tele Deluxe is like my dream guitar, and if you're gonna get one for $1500, it's gonna be beat up or somehow not original. But I'm the kind of guy that's less interested in collectability/resale value than I am in having a great sounding guitar with a bunch of history in it.
     
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    Thanks man!

    The seller is quite old and nice guy, who owns it since 1978. He bought it from a guitar store which is located manheim/germany .

    I think its not refinished, imo its painted over an original finish. ‍♂️
     
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    Oops, yes, that's what I meant!
     
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    The neck plate looks like regular adjustments were made, and all the scratches tell me it was a beginner who did the adjusting. Makes me have questions about the health of the neck and truss systems. The word "unmolested" does not come to mind when I look at these photos. Buy a newer guitar in good shape for less instead.
     
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    If you love it, $1.5k seems like a reasonable price. I would try offering less, and see if he will come down a bit.
     
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    I think it seems a little weird like you do. I can't find any other tuners that look like that on the web. the saddles are different, and one would think that perhaps a different bridge has been put on the guitar, but then it looks like if a wider bridge was put on the guitar the strings wouldn't be on the fretboard perhaps? The finish is wierd too,

    I would only consider it, if I were you, if you could take it apart and look at everything and try to figure out what is what on it.

    kind of strange, offered at a considerably lower price than it should be worth?

    $1500 is still kind of a lot of money. Capture.JPG



    if you look at that contour on a "presumably" genuine '73 on reverb, it seems a bit different than the "kindly old gents" does as well
     
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    Thanks alot for your response,
    When i search more abour 70’s i just realise that Fender doesnt have any strict standarts or quality checks on these era. Im not able to play it, its located like 10 hours far by car. So my friends gonna try it . I still have time like 1 more day for researches .
     
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    I've seen those tuners before on odd Deluxes online. That looks VERY early - straight pickguard bevel along the bridge, 4xxxxx serial, Electric XII-style knobs and most of all, a notch on the neck pocket with the more elegant top horn curve! Those tuners might have been an early run of the Schallers, so possibly stock. Looks like one saddle might be replaced, but they're the right style. They never reissued them.

    Without seeing inside, I'd peg that as a possible late '72, or else a very early '73. Definitely refinished with headstock overspray and I suspect replaced saddle but *potentially* otherwise all original and if those are original Wide Range Humbuckers, buy it right now.

    See my dating reserach in the thread Fenderchamp linked. Might be of help.
     
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    Oh yeah, the string alignment looks off on all vintage Deluxes. I worried about that on mine until I did some research.
     
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    I was ready to pick at the tuners and saddles/string alignment until I looked at that clean one on Reverb. The tuners are Schaller (correct) I believe and are W. German quality also the saddles and alignment seem to match up. I think too like someone said earlier that $1500 is low. If your friend plays it and thinks the pickups are ok I'd pay the man his asking price. He may not be 'net savvy and be able to compare prices of similar guitars.

    Note; I had a later similar model and the high E pole on the bridge pickup went mute/dead. Tell your friend to make sure that each individual string is heard when he plays it. In my opinion the Fender WRHB pickups are some of the best sounding pickups ever produced.
     
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    Tuners look correct for a Deluxe. Is it possible that this is a crazily faded Antigua finish?
     
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